Match Cancellation Notice -- EOHC

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Hello Everyone,

Please be advised that the IPSC match for October 7th has been cancelled due to insufficient volunteers.

Pretty sad really. 24 members of IPSC Ontario call EOHC their 'Home' club.....and we did not have eough of a response to put on a little level 2.

This effectively ends the 2006 IPSC season at EOHC. See y'all next year.
 
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Are you sure you're blaming the right people there, Nick?

I've quit paying jobs that were more pleasant than setting up IPSC matches at EOHC.

Not to stir the pot, but fair is fair.
 
Bartledan said:
Are you sure you're blaming the right people there, Nick?

I've quit paying jobs that were more pleasant than setting up IPSC matches at EOHC.

Not to stir the pot, but fair is fair.


Ohhhh, missle launch from the west coast.
lol:p
 
I've quit paying jobs that were more pleasant than setting up IPSC matches at EOHC.
Having had a hand in setting up and running quite a few level 2 matches and a provincials I would offer this comment: It is quite a responsability being the MD, long before we ever ask for help stages are concieved and sent for sanctioning, RO's are asked for help, squadding is done with a myriad of complaints ie. I want him on my squad, I don't want to shoot with him etc. Targets are purchased and range time arranged. ETC. ETC. So by the time we ask people usually local to put in a token day or two you might find some frazzled nerves. It is an unappreciated and arduos task, where complaints outway atta boys about 5 to 1. So cut us some slack,we are why you are not shooting tin cans off the top of the target sticks.

Andy
 
762nato said:
Having had a hand in setting up and running quite a few level 2 matches and a provincials I would offer this comment: It is quite a responsability being the MD, long before we ever ask for help stages are concieved and sent for sanctioning, RO's are asked for help, squadding is done with a myriad of complaints ie. I want him on my squad, I don't want to shoot with him etc. Targets are purchased and range time arranged. ETC. ETC. So by the time we ask people usually local to put in a token day or two you might find some frazzled nerves. It is an unappreciated and arduos task, where complaints outway atta boys about 5 to 1. So cut us some slack,we are why you are not shooting tin cans off the top of the target sticks.

Andy

No, Andy. I wasn't the president at EOHC. No, you're right, I wasn't the match director at the last EOHC LII (Co-match director with Nick). No, I haven't busted my ass like a crazy person to keep IPSC going at EOHC and elsewhere. And no, I'm not pitching in 100% now that I live in BC.

However hard it is to be a match director, behaving so damn boorishly while doing it that you drive away all the help for years to come does not help the sport, or keep me from having to shoot tin cans.

Nor, I think, does blaming everyone under the sun *except* oneself when one
reaps where one has sown, and has no help for matches.

However much a person wants to be the star of the moment, and save the IPSC world, if you have all the management skills of a tusken raider... don't bother!

Of important note: Dr.Nick is a first rate guy, and is most certainly not the type of match director I am describing above.
 
762nato said:
[...] squadding is done with a myriad of complaints ie. I want him on my squad, I don't want to shoot with him etc. [...]

well, getting MDs rid of those problems was my little contribution to match organization... ;)
 
No, Andy. I wasn't the president at EOHC. No, you're right, I wasn't the match director at the last EOHC LII (Co-match director with Nick). No, I haven't busted my ass like a crazy person to keep IPSC going at EOHC and elsewhere. And no, I'm not pitching in 100% now that I live in BC.

So with your admittedly minimal contribution what is your suggestion to keep these matches from being cancelled? Perhaps we could just phone a construction company and have them build a match and raise the fee's to compensate for the expense. Oh that would not work as they would have no knowledge of our sport or how to design and implement a challenging match.
So I guess weather some of us like it not, we need experienced people to set this stuff upand keep it running on time and produce the results afterward. The only other solution is some expert critic such as yourself should step up to the plate and show us how it is done. I for one would love to shoot a match of such a high caliber. So please feel free!!!

Andy
 
762nato said:
So with your admittedly minimal contribution

Andy, don't be deliberately ignorant. Re-read my last post for my contributions.

what is your suggestion to keep these matches from being cancelled?

It's like this: I wouldn't cross the street to piss on you, if there was a fire in your hair, let alone help you with an IPSC match. I feel that way, because of the way you've behaved, every single time I've met you. If you were drowning, I'd throw you an anvil. You treat people like ####, Andy, and it makes them (quite justifiably) dislike you.

If the match director can't bring himself to be polite to the people who volunteer to work on his match, those workers will never come back. If the match director can't refrain from abusing the goodwill of the volunteers who come out, they will never come out again. It's just that simple.

I'll try to put it simply: If you're an ignorant bastard, don't try to put on IPSC matches. You will destroy IPSC at the club. Or like 6 clubs. In the last few years.

Perhaps we could just phone a construction company and have them build a match and raise the fee's to compensate for the expense. Oh that would not work as they would have no knowledge of our sport or how to design and implement a challenging match.
So I guess weather some of us like it not, we need experienced people to set this stuff upand keep it running on time and produce the results afterward.

And yet the matches still got cancelled... hmmm... sounds like what you are suggesting just ain't enough, hey? Maybe being "experienced" is not, in and of itself, sufficient.

The CEO of McDonalds gets paid millions every year. Why? It's not because he can flip burgers. It's because he can *manage*.

The only other solution is some expert critic such as yourself should step up to the plate and show us how it is done. I for one would love to shoot a match of such a high caliber. So please feel free!!!

So why didn't you come to the last EOHC level 2? I sort of recall putting that on.
 
I see that this post is getting quickly out of control and personal attacks are part of the response. Sorry to see that Bartledan could taint this form from so far away. This is not the theme of the thread. The match cancellation is the point. :(

The fact that volunteers are the backbone of the sport is not in denial and MD's like 762nato and Dr Nick are an integral part of the volunteer process. If Bartledan were not an ACTIVE volunteer or an MD at his club then it would seem that he is just being petty in his comments. :confused:

I have volunteered and I have seen the work that the other, non-IPSC volunteers put in, as well as the extra work the MD puts into this. They, the MD’s, are the ones with the stage ideas and the initiative to see this project get finished.

I can only hope that as new members join the sport that they bring with them the enthusiasm that the older shooters had before they got caught up in the politics of it all.

To the members of EOHC thanks for the effort and I hope that this gets sorted. Your club puts on great match’s.
 
Just to be clear...and I am in no way taking sides on this...but some people seem to be confused by Dan's sarcasm...

He was an active volunteer, he was the club president, he was involved (very involved) in the setup and running of the matches...

...and I expect he will contribute just as much out west...they're lucky to have him...he was a big help here

Now...let's all play nice :cool:
 
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Lineman said:
I see that this post is getting quickly out of control and personal attacks are part of the response. Sorry to see that Bartledan could taint this form from so far away. This is not the theme of the thread. The match cancellation is the point. :(

You don't understand. This thread started off by blaming lazy IPSC members for the last two match cancellations at EOHC. That is unfair, and untrue. I am in a position to know.

The fact that volunteers are the backbone of the sport is not in denial and MD's like 762nato and Dr Nick are an integral part of the volunteer process.

The only match Dr.Nick ever MD'd was the one I was the co-MD for. And it was a success. Dr.Nick is a great guy, and one of my best friends.

If Bartledan were not an ACTIVE volunteer or an MD at his club then it would seem that he is just being petty in his comments. :confused:

I am, and have been, an active volunteer, and have MD'd back in Ontario, and will MD here in BC (already scheduled, actually). The only person who has suggested anything else is Andy, who deliberately missed my sarcasm. I thought that was cool. Not.


I have volunteered and I have seen the work that the other, non-IPSC volunteers put in, as well as the extra work the MD puts into this. They, the MD’s, are the ones with the stage ideas and the initiative to see this project get finished.

Again. Ideas, initiative and "experience" are not enough. You have to be able to manage your way out of a paper bag, too.


To the members of EOHC thanks for the effort and I hope that this gets sorted. Your club puts on great match’s.

One of the people you are thanking is me. In all the matches in the last year. Only Dr. Nick might have worked more and harder than I did.
 
Quigley said:
Just to be clear...and I am in no way taking sides on this...but some people seem to be confused by Dan's sarcasm...

He was an active volunteer, he was the club president, he was involved (very involved) in the setup and running of the matches...

...and I expect he will contribute just as much out west...they're lucky to have him...he was a big help here

Now...let's all play nice :cool:



Thanks Quigley.........ambiguity runs rampant in this place.
 
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Bartledan said:
One of the people you are thanking is me. In all the matches in the last year. Only Dr. Nick might have worked more and harder than I did.

If it is you that I need to thank for putting on a good match...then thanks.

I still hope this gets sorted. As I said before EOHC is an integral part of the Easter Ontario IPSC circut.
 
Well I will throw my 2 cents in. When it was made known to me that there was a need for volunteers neded to set up the match, I volunteered right away.

However the problem was that the title of the thread asking for voluteers mentioned nothing about volunteers in title and was generic at best. I only looked at thread due to boredom at work.

Now maybe I am missing something, but I rarely go the EOHC web page and quickly glance over the club bulletins, but where do we find out about volunteers being needed?

I had volunteered for the last level 2 match we had at the EOHC, but nothing happened as Bartledan and I missed each other due to other volunteers not showing up for set up.

A suggestions might be to hold a set up/pre-registration day the week before and people that come out to volunteer, pre-register after set up and get a discount on the match fee's.

Ultimately it would be nice for people to volunteer out of the goodness of their hearts, but sometimes people need a little extra incentive.

This is not a criticism againt anyone and if the IPSC directors at the EOHC need help setting up for a match in the future, feel free to contact me and I will do what I can.
 
The reality of this situation is far to many clubs have the same problem. A very few member end up doing far too much of the work. If you work your entitled to an opinion. If not shut up. It seems we have a group of shooter who like to bad mouth but I have yet to see them do anything constructive.
I know at Nationals I was sicken by attitudes of some who thought it was wrong they had to work. If you don't want to work pay the sponsorship fee and life is good. Let me also say I found the attitude of most much better and a few including Heavy Machine mech. from B.C. had to be told to sit, in order not burn themselves out.
A message to my least favourite type of competitor. " I am a Range staff volunteer not the "hired help" my job is to run the stage not to be your whipping post for every issue you have with match, stage design , organization ect. We all volunteer our time to run matches not put up with your ####..
 
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