Metric Targets - gone?

It's just giving them ammo to use against us later..


That is it in a nutshell.

As I posted on the global forum I have very VERY Rarely even used them

But I resent ANYONE taking away my RIGHT to use them. Not for the practicality of shooting them but for what that represents.
 
Stages with metric target's are just a whole lot cooler.
Why try and please the antie's, hasn't helped any so far!

I agree it's cooler, but is it absolutely necessary? no. We do lots of things that look like we are pleasing anti's but that may not be the intent. Case in point: the suggestion to force mandatory reloads in big stages. Was this because IPSC is generally against magazines holding more than 10 rounds? No. It's because people want to force Open shooters to do a reload in a 31 round course of fire. It's not a coincidence that EVERY long course at World Shoot XV was 32 rounds. Other country's HAVE 30+1 capacity possible under IPSC rules.

As for pleasing the anti's, don't get me started on how the hunters and long gun owners tried to serve us up as a sacrificial lamb to try and avoid long gun registration. I was there in the early 1990's speaking at political forums, attending rallies and was disgusted by what I saw.

Canada has shown that you don’t need normal capacity magazines to have good IPSC matches. Maybe IPSC should ban magazines of more then 10 rounds. That would make use PC right. This would put everyone on a even footing for world shoot and shut up the people complaining about the new round of high cap production guns. This would be good right?

I don't want to shoot a good match, ( I definitely don't want to shoot a crappy match) but I want to shoot an AWESOME match. 10 round stages severely limit your options. 90% of the stages we shoot are "shoot 8....run run run (reload)...shoot 8...run run run (reload) shoot 8". Wheeee! that sounds like fun! Occasionally we get "shoot 4....run run reload run...shoot 10...run run reload run...shoot 8 run run reload run...shoot 10". I get hard thinking about how often we reload! Go shoot a World Shoot. Go shoot a good US match. You'll see how much more interesting it is to shoot with full capacity magazines. See my previous comment about capacity.

Maybe the decision to get rid of the metric target was to become PC. So what? It doesn't affect our game. If you think that changing the target is the beginning of a slippery slope that leads to the banning of all firearms, then you place a lot more political power on our organization than they deserve. Our organization is a SPORTING organization, not a political one. Whatever FIREARM RIGHTS organization you belong to is responsible for keeping your rights as a firearms owner. As a case in point, USPSA and the NRA in the USA are 2 different organizations. Decisions made by USPSA don't have any impact on what the NRA does or how the NRA is perceived.

one reason we need to be able to shoot metric targets in Canada is so that we can remain on competitive ground with the Americans for matches we shoot down there. they use them, and it would be a disadvantage to Canadian shooters who travel to matches down there, to not be able to see them occasionally in matches up here.

Every US match I go to, when people talk about stages, they mention the "Amoeba" (classic targets) targets, and bobbers. They hate them because they are HARDER. They are smaller, have less A zone, and don't have that handy upper panel that catches rounds that should have been a miss because people are just pulling the trigger. I know shooters up here that can shoot a stage and score "Alpha Mike" on just about every target they shoot at. Down there, they are doing really well on stages. Why? Because they are shooting faster than they should. The second round of their double tap is going OVER the target. The upper panel compensates for their shooting.

As for letting us be competitive...When I practiced for Nationals this year, I didn't put full targets at 10-12 yards because that's what I thought we'd be shooting at. I put partial targets with no shoots at 20. If you want to be competitive, you practice things that are harder than what you'll see.
I've shot in the US many, many times. By shooting up here with the classic target, you are actually preparing yourself better to shoot in the US than the local US shooters.

If you don't like the way our firearms laws end up in Canada, then move to the US. Don't blame IPSC for your woes, however. Canada's firearm woes rest solely with Canada and our own local political machine.
 
If you don't like the way our firearms laws end up in Canada, then move to the US. Don't blame IPSC for your woes, however. Canada's firearm woes rest solely with Canada and our own local political machine.


The bold part is so COWARDLY as to be benieth you.

If you do not like the laws here FIGHT!

If IPSC is screwing with you FIGHT!

FIGHT

FIGHT

FIGHT!

Oh did I mention FIGHT!
 
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I agree it's cooler, but is it absolutely necessary? no.

and your whole post can be summed up as " if it's not required, then it's OK to ban it". You complain about the hunters who where giving up IPSC shooters, (to keep their long guns) yet your post has the exact same logic.

You would be willing to give up metric targets because YOU don't have a use for them. I see you didn't learn much when the hunters where trying give you up to be more PC did you????
 
If you do not like the laws here FIGHT!


Sorry, didn't make myself clear. I do fight when there is something to fight. Right now there is nothing fightable. Can't fight the high cap limits because other than the competitive shooting community, nobody else really cares. The metric target isn't worth fighting over.

If there ever comes a day that we lose all the fights before us and lose our guns, I'll be one of the first applying for jobs in the US.

and your whole post can be summed up as " if it's not required, then it's OK to ban it". You complain about the hunters who where giving up IPSC shooters, (to keep their long guns) yet your post has the exact same logic.

Slippery slope arguments are fallacious. A metric target is NOT required to shoot IPSC. Losing it doesn't dramatically change our sport. Full capacity mags are different, losing them DID dramatically change our sport. Losing our firearms definitely will change our sport.
 
Slippery slope arguments are fallacious. A metric target is NOT required to shoot IPSC. Losing it doesn't dramatically change our sport. Full capacity mags are different, losing them DID dramatically change our sport. Losing our firearms definitely will change our sport.

And as a Hunter, loosing IPSC shooting means #### all to me.. Ban it for all I care!

(I do shoot IPSC and Hunt, but the statement is correct for 95% of the hunters out there. The argument is still the same.. just cause it seems "insignificant" to you, does not make it such for the greater community ). The point is that as an IPSC COMMUNITY we do care about them, and should be fighting for them.
 
I just went over to the Global Village looking for threads asking the rules committee to review the metric target and found one (poorly named, but whatever).

Interestingly, only Storm's comments are there. I added my 2 cents, I don't feel I need to reiterate, so I'll leave them on IPSC GV.
 
sorry but this is pretty ghey
actually its the gheyist thing i have heard about for a long time



anyone who was at the NSCC postol shoots will know they were using IPSC targets
i guess they will go to idpa targets then
Fawking WEE tardiness
 
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NSCC used IPSC targets but CFSAC used IDPA targets, a subtle difference I know, but an important one.

Words Twice

Are you sure about that my friend?

I know the difference and i am sure the NSCC said ipsc and they did not have the round "a zone" like idpa targets do, they also had the classic targets as well, and I am sure said IPSC ......
now Cfsac had idpa targets. I thought the two target types was weird thats why i took note of it.

anyway maybe i am on crack regardless its not worth the argument ..........

They point of my post post was that getting rid of the metric target was GHEY IMO Its almost as bad as the RCMP having to shoot blue targets now rather than black ones .
 
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"...almost as bad as the RCMP having to shoot blue targets now rather than black ones ."

Green ones too. Easier to set their sights on as opposed to the Black targets particularly when shooting indoors.

Take Care

Bob
 
"...almost as bad as the RCMP having to shoot blue targets now rather than black ones ."

Green ones too. Easier to set their sights on as opposed to the Black targets particularly when shooting indoors.

Take Care

Bob

........from that aspect it makes sense, but i was told , possibly in error that it was due to totally PC reasons..........then again i am not RCMP .......... anyway no more metric targets is still lame I hate seeing things go pc ........what next? we are not going to be allowed to call them clay pigeons?
 
What supporters of this seem to forget that the people you are trying to appease think its improper to shoot ANYTHING no matter what shape the target is .......for chrissakes wake up! these people will never stop anyway ! stop trying to make them happy .......because you really don't want to .........stop kidding yourselves
 
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Are you sure about that my friend?

I know the difference and i am sure the NSCC said ipsc and they did not have the round "a zone" like idpa targets do, they also had the classic targets as well, and I am sure said IPSC ......
now Cfsac had idpa targets. I thought the two target types was weird thats why i took note of it.

anyway maybe i am on crack regardless its not worth the argument..........


Yes, I'm sure, but I think we are having a heated agreement. NSCC Service Pistol did use IPSC targets and CFSAC used IDPA targets (the exception was the penalty targets, CFSAC used IPSC tgts as no-shoots). The confusion is in that this year NSCC pistol was completely different and was run on different ranges and moved back to the old style Service Pistol matches, unlike in 2007 where there was a mix of Service and Combat Matches and everything was run in the pistol bays. Last year, the first week was NSCC Pistol and the second week was CFSAC. This year, the first week was CFSAC Practice and the second week was the real thing.


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USPSA is just the US IPSC region is it not? As I can’t see USPSA switching targets and Canada voted against a ban on the metric target have we filed for a rule exemption like we have for bullet weight and magazine length ?
USPSA is both USPSA and an IPSC region. For USPSA matches, they have thier own rules. For IPSC matches, they follow the IPSC rule book. USPSA decided to do this a few years ago. Since then, our existing exemptions are on shakey ground (with yearly threats to revoke) and as such, we also have no grounds for an exemption on targets.
 
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