If you follow the link I posted, you'll see there is no such thing as an "Algonquin" or "Eastern" wolf. The DNA study shows that there are only grey wolves and hybrids.
MNR Ontario cancels wolf & coyote hunting & trapping in more zones.
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If you follow the link I posted, you'll see there is no such thing as an "Algonquin" or "Eastern" wolf. The DNA study shows that there are only grey wolves and hybrids.
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Shoot, shovel, shut up.
9.3 Mauser provided the scientific information on the first page of this discussion. There is no such animal as the "Algonquin Wolf" it is a coyote/wolf hybrid. It was the Wynne government caving into Anti hunting and firearms groups most of which are not even in Ontario or Canada.
What it is going to take to stop this nonsense is someone to be charged with killing or harassing one of these mythical animals and then making the MNRF prove its existence in court. Unfortunately that is going to be expensive. Expert testimony from those who have refuted the findings of the flawed study that brought this about by COSSARO listing the animal will be required.
What it is going to take to stop this nonsense is someone to be charged with killing or harassing one of these mythical animals and then making the MNRF prove its existence in court. Unfortunately that is going to be expensive. Expert testimony from those who have refuted the findings of the flawed study that brought this about by COSSARO listing the animal will be required.
If you go back in history, OMNR had a captive wolf pack IE: Grey wolf study in the 1960's in Algonquin Park and after they let them all go in the park , at times you will have interbreeding even with wolf and dog or coyote and dogs!
this is nothing more than a BS, and if you can not tell the difference between a wolf and coyote you should not be a hunter or gun owner!!
this is nothing more than a BS, and if you can not tell the difference between a wolf and coyote you should not be a hunter or gun owner!!
I actually really like wolves there such a cool and intresting animal. I do not like this mentality that we must kill every single wolf so people can shoot more deer or moose. Most people just shoot these animals for fun and sport which imo is very disrespectful to the animal
They have been her for millions of years and hopefully millions more. This image brings a bad impression on hunters.
They have been her for millions of years and hopefully millions more. This image brings a bad impression on hunters.
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Bloberglawp
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Sad truth is when humans interfere the predator/prey populations, they struggle to reach their equilibrium, which happens naturally.
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in the 70s there were no coyotes in southern mb. it was all fox. the first coyotes started showing up in the 80 and by the 90s they were everywhere. you have to remember fox and wolves coexist quite well, wolf and coyotes do not. you remover the wolf from mnost of north America and the coyote moves north from the Arizona desert to fill the vacuum.
any serious trapper should know who o'gorman is, I have one of hos catalogues here from 89 or early 90s I believe, and there's more than a few mentions of how coyotes progressed northward. fox took nothing but a 1.5 coilspring to consistently catch. coyotes showed up ever increasingly northward and simply destroy many of those 70s and 80s fox traps. trappers had to substantially beef up equipment. my mother still remembers the first coyote caught in her general area by her brother in the 80s. no one had ever seen one before.
Same deal here in Ontario, prairie lover.
We ran hounds 30 years ago for fox. They would shoot 50-100 fox each winter. Never got on a coyote track...
Now it's ALL coyotes and no fox. We have got 2 foxes in the last 8 years. I've seen a few foxes but they stay close to dwellings or they don't last long. Between the two hound gangs over 150 coyotes were shot last winter in one county. Maybe 5 fox? Most hound hunters give foxes a pass hoping they will make a come back. Can't see that happening until the coyote is cleaned out.
Ban Wolf/coyote hunting all you want....people are still going to shoot on site....now just MNR won't get any money from tags and coyote/wolves will lay where they are shot. Algonquin Wolf is the biggest crock of shut I've ever heard.....they are MUTTS!
We ran hounds 30 years ago for fox. They would shoot 50-100 fox each winter. Never got on a coyote track...
Now it's ALL coyotes and no fox. We have got 2 foxes in the last 8 years. I've seen a few foxes but they stay close to dwellings or they don't last long. Between the two hound gangs over 150 coyotes were shot last winter in one county. Maybe 5 fox? Most hound hunters give foxes a pass hoping they will make a come back. Can't see that happening until the coyote is cleaned out.
Ban Wolf/coyote hunting all you want....people are still going to shoot on site....now just MNR won't get any money from tags and coyote/wolves will lay where they are shot. Algonquin Wolf is the biggest crock of shut I've ever heard.....they are MUTTS!
The "balance" of nature is a myth. Nature isn't a balance, it's a teeter-totter. When prey numbers are high, predator numbers start to rise. At some point the predator numbers become so high that the prey population collapses, with predator numbers soon to follow. You can see this on a miniature scale with the snowshoe hare and ruffed grouse. I believe the hare cycle is roughly seven years. With larger prey the cycle is more prolonged.
I remember in the seventies, when I first started hunting in Ontario, it was a rare thrill to see a deer track. Numbers were way down. The season was shortened to one week, bucks only, and by the early 80's the population started to rebound. Coyote numbers followed.
I have no interest in returning to the lean years of the 70's. I don't hunt specifically for canids, but I will shoot every one I can lay crosshairs on. And I will unabashedly say it's about removing competition and protecting the resource I wish to use myself.
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Fine, call it teeter-totter, but it's no myth. When times get rough, predators have smaller yields of offspring as to make sure the packs livelyhood is sustainable.
