The difference is that the SA and the AR180 have large, exposed charging handles, no spring loaded folding handles. having used an FNC1, as well as a few commercial side charging AR's, I know that its not impossible, but its not as ergonomic as I would like, especially if I'm forking out over 2k for a rifle. Just a thought.
Modern Varmint What IF?
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The difference is that the SA and the AR180 have large, exposed charging handles, no spring loaded folding handles. having used an FNC1, as well as a few commercial side charging AR's, I know that its not impossible, but its not as ergonomic as I would like, especially if I'm forking out over 2k for a rifle. Just a thought.
Unless there is a malfunction I only use the charge handle once a day anyway. Locks back on empty, insert new magazine and press bolt release or just give the butt stock a smack with my hand to release the bolt.
Or use your firing hand to reach forward and operate the charging handle. Or your support hand on the right side bolt release.
$2k is peanuts for a rifle like this, don't worry though I doubt they will get below $2500 for bare bones model.
Unfortunately the likes of a Tavor or XCR are still above and beyond what I'm able to pay, outside of saving for 3-4 years 
It's a great idea however, kinda like trim level packages in vehicles. "You might not be able to afford a King Ranch, but can afford the XLT."
It's a great idea however, kinda like trim level packages in vehicles. "You might not be able to afford a King Ranch, but can afford the XLT."
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I just want a gun that goes bang every time and doesn't need to be run super wet and can be used with steel cased or brass and we don't need gucci ammo to run it. A real, military tough grade rifle
ATRS Shaun
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The idea we're tossing around is to reduce the options, so offering 18.6 and 20 is simply not going to happen as there are no mass-produced 18.6" AR style barrels, that I'm aware of. Keep in mind the Modern Varmint does NOT run a standard AR barrel, just 1 more step away from being classified as an AR variant.
We are looking at chrome lined barrels, or just less expensive, NON match grade barrels as there seems to be a large number of people looking for this. Questions from there, and we're only selecting one, would be pencil barrel, or HBar ?
The cost of furniture for a basic unit is not what we are addressing in this inquiry, the guns have to be test fired prior to releasing them. Whether you have spare parts kicking around is not our concern. What we ARE proposing, is having one offering that is NOT custom, which would in essence be our first "factory rifle" without customisation. It would have a stock, it would have an A2 plastic grip. And it would have a free float hand guard.
As far as having this "factory offering" water down the value of a custom modern varmint, is absolutely one of our biggest concerns and will, in the end, likely be what makes or breaks this off-shoot project.
At this point, we are not looking at this option for the Modern Hunter as the availability of AR10 components is significantly less than AR15 and the cost savings just doesn't exist on the same level.
Hitting the $2k mark is just not an option I'm afraid. We're talking closer to mid 2s.
We are looking at chrome lined barrels, or just less expensive, NON match grade barrels as there seems to be a large number of people looking for this. Questions from there, and we're only selecting one, would be pencil barrel, or HBar ?
The cost of furniture for a basic unit is not what we are addressing in this inquiry, the guns have to be test fired prior to releasing them. Whether you have spare parts kicking around is not our concern. What we ARE proposing, is having one offering that is NOT custom, which would in essence be our first "factory rifle" without customisation. It would have a stock, it would have an A2 plastic grip. And it would have a free float hand guard.
As far as having this "factory offering" water down the value of a custom modern varmint, is absolutely one of our biggest concerns and will, in the end, likely be what makes or breaks this off-shoot project.
At this point, we are not looking at this option for the Modern Hunter as the availability of AR10 components is significantly less than AR15 and the cost savings just doesn't exist on the same level.
Hitting the $2k mark is just not an option I'm afraid. We're talking closer to mid 2s.
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Please make 7.62x39 an option and I am in.
With your 6.5 project..you will already have the bolt covered
Not gonna happen. Too many problems with 7.62x39
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It takes the same amount of time to assemble a rifle regardless of the quality of the barrel and furniture. It does not take 200 to 300 dollars in labor to assemble them in the 1st place, the rest of you numbers are pretty close.
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Read the FRT report we provided with each rifle. It CLEARLY states a Timney trigger is an integral part of the rifle. To make changes as you keep asking us to do will result in having to request another inspection. This costs us time and money to make the prototypes, time to get the new rifle through the SFSS and more importantly puts ALL owners of MH and MV rifles at risk for a re-classification. You have 1 each of our semi auto non restricted rifles. In the immortal words of Harry Callahan, Do ya feel lucky ?
So the short answer is NOT gonna happen.
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You can do that now, but the rifle will come with a match grade barrel and JP buffer system and basic cheap furniture.
ATRS Shaun
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We're concerned that any adjustment to the engravings or lower at all, could be construed as a separate FRT. Think... Spartan.
Our initial internal discussions went much further, including changes to uppers and lowers in an effort to try and hit the low 2s, but the risks involved with a whole new submission don't seem worth it.
Lightweight pencil barrel is where we've been looking mostly, keeping it a nimble little rifle that's convenient to pack around.
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Just an upper would be useless unless you already have a MV rifle.
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A VERY valid concern, hence our floating the question here. The upper and lower would be identical, we are not making a "new" model, simply offering the ability to own one of our rifles with a cheaper barrel and not having any options to choose from. In vehicle terms, GM makes a base model truck. It has rubber floor matts, plastic upholstery, AM/FM radio only, power nothing yet still wears the same badge. The price difference between GMC Sierra 1500 and a Denali 1500 is over $30K, but I know exactly what you are meaning. The price differential will not be huge, probably 5 or 6 hundred dollars.
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We have to test fire each and every rifle. Doing so with a partial gun is difficult. The cost of labor to install and uninstall the furniture would negate any savings.
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Not in Canada with a rifle that only has a Canadian sales base and is still a hand made rifle made by guys commanding Canadian wages and benefits.
Just a thought. Cheaper uppers make some sense. Say I were to invest in a fully featured lower and 6.5 Grendel upper (hunting/medium range). A budget upper/bolt in .223 Wylde 1:8 twist would bring down the total cost of what could be two rifles.
This would gut XCR-L sales since the barrel retention system is not good for accuracy.
This would gut XCR-L sales since the barrel retention system is not good for accuracy.
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That would mean the RCMP would get another kick at the cat to reclassify it as an AR variant.
I fought VERY hard for several years to get the NR status on these rifles and so many guys seem to want to quickly discard the effort and risk making these rifles into a restricted AR variants?
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