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I suspect that those moose that took multiple hits were becasue the hunter kept shooting.

I have a very bad habit of firing just one shot and being so confident the moose (deer) is dead that I don't ven bother working the action to reload. The animals typicaly walk or run 20 to 50 yards then sit down or fall down.

My buddy lung shot a moose at 425 yards with a 308. Recovered bullet showed no expansion at all. Could have reloaded th 180 gr Norma SP. Moose walked about 20 yards, layed down and was stone dead by the time we got to it. Bullet had less energy than a 30-30, i assume.

As for the 30-30, lung shots within 100 yards make them as dead as they can get.

My grandfather in northern BC shot two moose each year for many years (about 50 years). Used a 30-30 and very seldom needed a second shot. He said he shot them in the ear. I assume range was short.
 
Although I have not found official publications, there is a distinction made by local hunters between 2 "types" of moose in Quebec. There is the one that most are familiar with - large, palmate antlers, and brown. But there is another one that is much darker - black even - and has only 4 points and no palmate whatsoever. The French call them "elan" and it is generally agreed amongst these hunters that they are a tougher moose to kill.
 
I photographed this moose in north central BC, fifty years ago. The antlers are a text book example of the Canada moose variety.
He is a good example of a large moose, but not huge, like an Alaska sub specie with comparably large antlers like that, would have been. The big Alaska variety have a more solid body, deeper and heavier, making the legs appear shorter.
I do believe this fellow would have made the Boone and Crocket Club records. Just compare the length and width of the palm, with other parts of the moose, such as length of his head, his ears, length of body, etc, and you come up with some huge antlers. Bear in mind the length of the palm is considerable longer than it appears, due to the curve on the bottom.
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I photographed this moose in north central BC, fifty years ago. The antlers are a text book example of the Canada moose variety.
He is a good example of a large moose, but not huge, like an Alaska sub specie with comparably large antlers like that, would have been. The big Alaska variety have a more solid body, deeper and heavier, making the legs appear shorter.
I do believe this fellow would have made the Boone and Crocket Club records. Just compare the length and width of the palm, with other parts of the moose, such as length of his head, his ears, length of body, etc, and you come up with some huge antlers. Bear in mind the length of the palm is considerable longer than it appears, due to the curve on the bottom.
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again,..great post buddy..:)
 
You obviously were using a slingshot or you didnt hit it very well with your super duper ultra maxi magnum. gimme a monster bull and a 3030 with 2 shells and ill give you a dead monster bull. BTW thanks for contributing to this thread, u gave me some decent laughs, if indirectly.

everyone is such a hero with their 30-30. I bet you could do the african big 5 with your trusty ol' 30-30....hey hot shot?
 
A small bullet will not get good penetration in a moose and even a hopped up 300mag will not blow through a decent sized moose, let alone a monster.

Really,then why do the Moose that I killed with my 300RUM and the 180gr TSX have exit wounds?One of them was in the 1200lb range,the other was over 1000lbs.A hunting partner killed an approx. 1200lb bull with a 100gr TSX out of his 25-06 while deer hunting.It didn't exit,but it was found against the hide after passing through the chest.
 
Really,then why do the Moose that I killed with my 300RUM and the 180gr TSX have exit wounds?One of them was in the 1200lb range,the other was over 1000lbs.A hunting partner killed an approx. 1200lb bull with a 100gr TSX out of his 25-06 while deer hunting.It didn't exit,but it was found against the hide after passing through the chest.

ummm gut shot??
 
I suspect that those moose that took multiple hits were becasue the hunter kept shooting.

I have a very bad habit of firing just one shot and being so confident the moose (deer) is dead that I don't ven bother working the action to reload. The animals typicaly walk or run 20 to 50 yards then sit down or fall down.

My buddy lung shot a moose at 425 yards with a 308. Recovered bullet showed no expansion at all. Could have reloaded th 180 gr Norma SP. Moose walked about 20 yards, layed down and was stone dead by the time we got to it. Bullet had less energy than a 30-30, i assume.

As for the 30-30, lung shots within 100 yards make them as dead as they can get.

My grandfather in northern BC shot two moose each year for many years (about 50 years). Used a 30-30 and very seldom needed a second shot. He said he shot them in the ear. I assume range was short.

Along similar lines, initially when I first started big game hunting, Dad and I used 303's for a number of years in the B.C. interior and never experienced any problems putting Moose down. ;)Our Moose rounds of choice were the Dominion/C.I.L. 215gr:p. Dad's focus and teachings were,
  • Know what you can do with your rifle.
  • Put two good shots into it.
  • Let it go, if it's still able to do so. It won't go far.
His impression was putting any more into it, all you accomplished was cutting it to pieces and wasting good meat.

Oh, Bruce, nice Moose:).
 
everyone is such a hero with their 30-30. I bet you could do the african big 5 with your trusty ol' 30-30....hey hot shot?

buy me a ticket to zimbabwe and ill find out. The lion, leopard, and cape buffalo no worries, the elephant and rhino would be questionable.;)
 
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This isn't even the same argument lol... most people that hunt African game call a 300 win mag too small.

And illegal in most places. But in the glory days of African hunting, the .303 British slayed it's share of elephant, therefore in theory the .30-30 could do it too. Of course, the .256 Mannlicher was also considered an excellent elephant cartridge, but in these modern times the .256 is simply no good for anything other then jackrabbits and woodchucks, since it's bullet is just to darn puney. ;)
 
This isn't even the same argument lol... most people that hunt African game call a 300 win mag too small.

my point is that everyone is so fast to crap on me for using a 300winmag and insist their 30-30 is the ideal weapon and they are such better men for using it, and such a better shot, and a better hunter and blah blah blah... I have heard it all. Next thing I will hear is that the 30-30 is okay for Kudu and Buffalo, and Lion.
There is a reason why nobody uses the 30-30 anymore.... a very good reason.
The argument that the 30-30 was used in the past is invalid as well, as there was hardly any other choice.

The ones insisting the 30-30 is so great I would be willing to bet do not use it in the field. They are just argumentative.
 
And illegal in most places. But in the glory days of African hunting, the .303 British slayed it's share of elephant, therefore in theory the .30-30 could do it too. Of course, the .256 Mannlicher was also considered an excellent elephant cartridge, but in these modern times the .256 is simply no good for anything other then jackrabbits and woodchucks, since it's bullet is just to darn puney. ;)

In the old days, how many hunters got stomped into the ground by a mad wounded elephant... or got ripped up by a pissed off Lion?
 
give anyone hunting a lion etc a choice between a 30/30 or a 300wm and they will laugh in your face, they would have back then too. thats why they would hunt in groups of 10 .9 for the lion and the last one would finaly kill him
you can go back to all the old timers you want the bigtime alaska guilds dont use a 30/30 why/because they are not as (let me put it nicely)woried about their pennies as the old timers.
 
my point is that everyone is so fast to crap on me for using a 300winmag and insist their 30-30 is the ideal weapon and they are such better men for using it, and such a better shot, and a better hunter and blah blah blah... I have heard it all. Next thing I will hear is that the 30-30 is okay for Kudu and Buffalo, and Lion.
There is a reason why nobody uses the 30-30 anymore.... a very good reason.
The argument that the 30-30 was used in the past is invalid as well, as there was hardly any other choice.

The ones insisting the 30-30 is so great I would be willing to bet do not use it in the field. They are just argumentative.

Dude, really? Are you serious? In case you haven't noticed nobody has crapped on you for using whatever the hell you want. On the contrary you have crapped on everyone else in the process of making yourself look like a jerk. And another thing you should look into, .30-30 outsells .300 Win Mag in reloading dies and ammo every year. To say nobody uses them is just uninformed. Your not making any friends, though I could think of a few people you would get along with real well. If you want to contribute to a discussion, you best stick to discussions you have some experiance with. Bed wetting or video games would be somthing I could think of off the top of my head by the sounds of things.



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I stand corrected. It appears that has changed, as the only 'current' sales figure I can find is from 05, and the .300 outsold the .30-30. However considering cartridges like the .30 WCF and 45-70 are still in the top 20 after more then a century, that still says alot.
1. .204 Ruger
2. .30-06 Springfield
3. .223 Rem.
4. .308 Win.
5. .243 Win.
6. .22-250 Rem.
7. .45 ACP
8. .270 Win.
9. .300 Win. Mag.
10. .44 Mag./Special
11. .300 WSM
12. .357 Mag./.38 Special
13. 7mm Rem. Mag.
14. .45 Colt
15. .45-70 Government
16. .25-06
17. 9mm Luger
18. .500 S & W Mag.
19. .270 WSM
20. .30-30 WCF
21. .40 S & W
22. 7mm-08 Rem.
23. .300 Rem. Ultra Mag.
24. .243 WSSM
25. .25 WSSM

however, I stole this list off of a thread from 24hour in regards to ammo sales:

1. .308 Winchester - The .308 is one of the best selling cartridges in North America and the world (#5 on most lists), so it is no surprise that it interests many readers. It is the premier all-around cartridge for short action rifles.

2. .270 Winchester - The thousands of page views garnered by my article "The Great .270 Winchester" shows that interest in this classic all-around cartridge remains high. It is #3 on most North American sales lists, and it is popular all over the world. The .270 has been the standard of comparison for long range hunting cartridges for three quarters of a century, and it may be the best balanced all-around + long range hunting cartridge ever devised.

3. .30-06 Springfield - In sales, this is the most popular hunting cartridge in North America, and it is one of the elite worldwide cartridges. Many experts regard it as the best all-around hunting cartridge in the world. The .30-06 is in use on every continent where big game is hunted, so it is no surprise that its article gets a lot of page views.

4. .45-70 Government - The interest shown in this cartridge by the readers of Guns & Shooting Online came as quite a surprise. My article "The Good Old .45-70" must have been well named, as it has gotten a great many page hits. The .45-70 is, indeed, a very good old cartridge, and the most popular big bore in North America.

5. .30-30 Winchester - The .30-30 is one of the top selling rifle cartridges in North America (#1 to #4 on the sales lists, depending on which list you read). Interest in the cartridge remains high, probably partly due to its romantic association with the Old West, and partly because it is one of the best 200 yard deer and medium game cartridges ever designed.

6. 7mm Remington Magnum - The 7mm Rem. Mag. is the most popular belted cartridge in North America, number 7 on most ammunition sales lists. It is a fine all-around cartridge, deserving of its world-wide popularity. So it is not surprising that my article "Long Range Power: The 7mm Remington Magnum" regularly gets thousands of page views.

7. .223 Remington - This cartridge owes its popularity to its adoption by the USA and NATO as a standard military round. But it is also a fine, accurate, varmint cartridge and a pleasure to shoot at the range. Ammunition is widely distributed and inexpensive. The .223 (5.56mm NATO) is #2 on most sales lists and the top selling .22 centerfire rifle cartridge in the world.

8. .270 WSM - The .270 WSM has apparently taken the lead in the short magnum sweepstakes, at least among the readers of Guns and Shooting Online. This is not a surprise, as it is probably the most useful of the breed, and the only one that isn't simply a duplicate of another cartridge.

9. .300 Win. Mag. - The world's most popular .300 Magnum is the Winchester version, which is in the top 10 on most sales lists. This popularity is evidenced by the strong interest shown in this cartridge by Guns and Shooting Online readers.

10. .243 Winchester - The .243 is one of the lightest recoiling, long range, medium game cartridges in the world. It is also a capable varmint cartridge. The .243 is a very popular cartridge worldwide (number 6 on most lists in North America). It deserves the interest that its article receives.
 
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Here is what Waderow said--"In my opinion, good moose hunters are much better hunters then their predecessors due to the skill it takes to locate, and bring in a trophy bull. By trophy I mean 50" class. Anyone can get a 30" bull to come and eat an apple out of their hand (slight exaggeration) but the big guys circle down wind, will sit and listen for an hour before breaking the fringe. Will send the cows out first. They are just plain old cagey. From the pictures floating around from the 60's, the average moose was over 40". Not anymore. Most moose pulled out of the bush are 30" or so...if that.

All this said, I do partially agree that hunters from years past were better then MOST, of hunters today."
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The days of the true meat hunters, the type with families depending on him feeding them, ended with WW2. I have seen kids coming to school with only dry bread in their lunch pails. Then, their Dad got a moose. Now, lunch pails were filled with chunks of moose meat and the kids ate it like hugry dogs.
Not all old timers were good hunters, some just couldn't get an animal, while others were exceptionally good hunters. But, in no way can you compare these meat hunters of old, with modern pleasure hunters, who try and tell us they are hunting for the meat!
Hunting at that time meant starting out in early morning with the rifle and a lunch. If snow was on the ground, walk the area where game might be and hope for a fresh track to get on to. It took great skill to follow game tracks and get teh animal. The animal used every trick in the book and only a very good hunter would be successful. With no snow, hunt the likely areas. The game was very scary at that time, because any animal could get shot any week of the year, and the animals knew it!
My much older brother was an exceptionally good hunter, especially for elk. In every circustance, he knew what the elk would do. In his yuthful exuberance, he shot some huge bulls. Until the family told him to, "for heavens sake, get animals that are good eating." He then became known throughout the area as a hunter who always got the choicest of eating meat. Many Indian hunters could smell game in the bush and my brother also had this ability. I once saw him demonstrate this. I was with him when he stopped and said he could smell elk in the sqampy area ahead of us. We went into the swamp and sure enough, a herd of elk had just moved through it.
He commonly walked seven miles to a lake where a trapper lived in a cabin, stay with the trapper a day or two and hunt. One time he and another brother went there on a warm day, with a few inches of snow on the ground. Over night it turned cold, froze the snow, creating a condition where walking was extremely noisy. The trapper told them to not even bother going out in those conditions. They went, got onto some fresh elk tracks when the hunter brother gave instructions. He told the younger brother to do exalty as he did, while being half a step later in walking. This made the noise sound like a four footed animal instead of two legged. They would walk noisily like this, breaking step, for a mnute or two, then stop dead still for a while. Doing this, they walked right up to the elk herd that was bedded down at mid day, and shot two elk.
Show me a modern hunter capable of thes skills.

There are still lots of meat hunters here in Newfoundland. The last bull I shot I left his 19 point plate rack where I panched the animal. My father in-law came up looked at me and said "why in the J***** would you drop the like of that. A nice little last years calf is meat enough for anyone". The only trophy for me is the big old moose roast at Sunday dinner. ;)
 
sorry guys, but maybe for smaller bulls, calves, cows. The go down easy. Big monster bulls do not go down with a .300mag, let alone a 30-30.

:eek: I guess I should call up the local gun shop and order in a Mcmillan Tac 50cal for hunting this fall seems it the only thing that will be able to penatrate threw a big bull!!
 
There is a reason why nobody uses the 30-30 anymore.... a very good reason.
The argument that the 30-30 was used in the past is invalid as well, as there was hardly any other choice.

The ones insisting the 30-30 is so great I would be willing to bet do not use it in the field. They are just argumentative.

On moose, ya maybe its not used so much anymore. On deer its still one of the most common and popular cartridges across North America. 3030 rifles are excellent in tight bush.

You'd lose your bet badly that no one uses them in the field.
 
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