Moose shot at 1100 yards

If the animal is twenty to forty yards away you can see if there is anything around to spook it other than the noise of the bow, and the actual arrow flight time is about half of the time as the bullet flight time at 1100 yds, it's not illegal to make bad judgement shots and i have tracked more than a few animals from poor judgement shots by others.

If the guy wants to shoot at that far he's going to, all i am saying is that in my opinion it is in bad taste to do so, i would not advise anyone to do it and that is my opinion fwiw and i won't be changing it.
 
Bingo! During the years I guided up here, guess who the best shots were, by far? Eastern woodchuck hunters!

They could range game, they knew the trajectory of their rifle, and they could shoot from sitting or prone better than most guys could off a bench. In other words, as well as being able to shoot they had a lot of field experience.

Ted

So how did you guarantee that the animals wouldn't move. The shots had to be more than 100yds or why bother ranging?

"An animal running at top speed will still be dead at 11 yds." This is just silly. I've seen deer do a 180 and twist under an arrow at 30 yds from a relaxed feeding stance. Never got touched. I've also seen a moose stand still in the morning sun for over 90 minutes.

There is no way to guarantee that an animal will not move.


"that is my opinion fwiw and i won't be changing it. "

another man who is NEVER wrong.:)
 
there has been reference to the moose being shot in the hump. I have no experience in shooting moose in the spine but I have lots of experience with cattle and on occasion when giving birth, a cow will have problems and will be a long time calving (calf is backwards or just big) What happens is she will pinch a nerve in her hind quarters and will not be able to stand. Will try but like the moose will be unable to stand.
That moose had the use of its front quarters, so I doubt it was shot in the hump as claimed.
This would indicate that not only was the shot high but several feet off as well. He got lucky in that the animal was anchored and was there for him when ever he got to it.
 
So how did you guarantee that the animals wouldn't move. The shots had to be more than 100yds or why bother ranging?

"An animal running at top speed will still be dead at 11 yds." This is just silly. I've seen deer do a 180 and twist under an arrow at 30 yds from a relaxed feeding stance. Never got touched. I've also seen a moose stand still in the morning sun for over 90 minutes.

There is no way to guarantee that an animal will not move.


"that is my opinion fwiw and i won't be changing it. "

another man who is NEVER wrong.:)


How many fps was that arrow doing versus Ted's .270?
 
Not sure about that, perhaps in North America. Archery hunting is still outlawed in many countries.

Hmm, didn't know that. I can see why it's considered "inhumane" by some, because of the generally slower death caused by an arrow vs a bullet. I guess people who argue that its fairer(word?) are talking about the challenge of getting closer to the animal.
 
there has been reference to the moose being shot in the hump. I have no experience in shooting moose in the spine but I have lots of experience with cattle and on occasion when giving birth, a cow will have problems and will be a long time calving (calf is backwards or just big) What happens is she will pinch a nerve in her hind quarters and will not be able to stand. Will try but like the moose will be unable to stand.
That moose had the use of its front quarters, so I doubt it was shot in the hump as claimed.
This would indicate that not only was the shot high but several feet off as well. He got lucky in that the animal was anchored and was there for him when ever he got to it.

A shot into the hump of a moose will only stun him and he'll recover however will still be injured. A shot to the spine is permanent damage and the moose won't regain mobility.

It's not possible to tell the difference between a hump shot and spine shot, until the moose gets up and runs. :)
 
Hmm, didn't know that. I can see why it's considered "inhumane" by some, because of the generally slower death caused by an arrow vs a bullet. I guess people who argue that its fairer(word?) are talking about the challenge of getting closer to the animal.

Archery hunting pretty much started out in the US then migrated up to Canada, though it's still far more popular down there.
As far as I'm aware, Finland is the only European country where there is limited availability for bow hunting.
Some African outfits have started offering bowhunts to entice American hunters, but it's generally frowned upon by most African PH's.
 
The guy can shoot, that is not the issue that makes it unethical.

The fact the animal has time to move from when the shot is touched off till the time the bullet gets there is! Even if the animal looks relaxed it could decide to move and if wounded the chance of finding it again could be pretty slim and result in a cruel death, hence the shot should not have been taken, my opinion fwiw

How far should I should I be shooting with my 30/30 and 45/70 so as to cut down on the distance the animal travels before my bullet hits...
 
there has been reference to the moose being shot in the hump. I have no experience in shooting moose in the spine but I have lots of experience with cattle and on occasion when giving birth, a cow will have problems and will be a long time calving (calf is backwards or just big) What happens is she will pinch a nerve in her hind quarters and will not be able to stand. Will try but like the moose will be unable to stand.
That moose had the use of its front quarters, so I doubt it was shot in the hump as claimed.
This would indicate that not only was the shot high but several feet off as well. He got lucky in that the animal was anchored and was there for him when ever he got to it.

Well, you old hound dog, we are singing from the same song sheet.
I too, grew up in a land of cows and horses, elk and moose. I remember a nice colt that got his back broke just ahead of his hips. The reaction was exactly the same as the moose in the picture.
And when someone said the moose was shot in the hump, my immediate thought was, no way. As you say, a moose shot in the spine in the hump area, can't move his front quarters.
Someone on here critisized someone else for saying he wouldn't change his opnion. My friend, there is no such thing as a right or wrong opinion. An opinion is his, or yours or mine. My opinion is my thoughts on a certain situation. If I have firm reason to form an opinion, I too, will not change it, just because someone thinks it is "wrong."
In my opinion, this whole thing of shooting the moose at about 1100 yards away, was a gimmick, designed to get a video on the world wide net.
 
"In my opinion, this whole thing of shooting the moose at about 1100 yards away, was a gimmick, designed to get a video on the world wide net."

I don't agree and nothing you say will ever change my mind.:mad:


"How many fps was that arrow doing versus Ted's .270? "

What has that got to do with whether the animal moves or not? or what the distance to the target was. The fact is you cannot guarantee that an animal will not move, regardless of the distance from the shooter.
 
"In my opinion, this whole thing of shooting the moose at about 1100 yards away, was a gimmick, designed to get a video on the world wide net."

I don't agree and nothing you say will ever change my mind.:mad:


"How many fps was that arrow doing versus Ted's .270? "

What has that got to do with whether the animal moves or not? or what the distance to the target was. The fact is you cannot guarantee that an animal will not move, regardless of the distance from the shooter.

We're all unethical...
 
In my opinion, this whole thing of shooting the moose at about 1100 yards away, was a gimmick, designed to get a video on the world wide net.

Getting a video on Youtube isn't the same as getting a TV show or a movie.....

There isn't much effort involved in "getting" a video on Youtube. You can make a video of grass growing or paint drying and put it on Youtube.
 
Except you and me.:D


You are correct. By someone's standards we are unethical, but not by mine.

"Everybody's got to have somebody to look down on" Kristoferson.
it's very interesting how one animal is supposed to be afforded a quick death and another is not.
Check this thread out.
Some of the comments make you shake your head.....

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=600870&page=5

Cat
 
Getting a video on Youtube isn't the same as getting a TV show or a movie.....

There isn't much effort involved in "getting" a video on Youtube. You can make a video of grass growing or paint drying and put it on Youtube.

I think what he meant was that the video was posted on the net because of the distance, not the "hunt", hence the title he posted on youtube.

Much like "Best of the West" would lose a large portion of its audience (sadly) if shots were 150 yards or less.
 
eth·ics

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) a system of moral principles: the ethics of a culture.

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notice the Bold ! ethics/ethical , is a human 9man) made up set of morals, and your conduct regarding those morals. Ethics mostly comes into play with man made rules, of society, which Man alone has the right to make up HIS own code of conduct and degrees of abiding by said rules . Nature has her own Ethics ! Nature's rule is simple , 1. Survival of the fittest
2.Kill or be killed
and a few others that really have no bearing on this subject.

Man is a predator, anyone that says he is not , is a moron!
Predators use, whatever means they have to their advantage, ANYTHING GOES ! Man , Being the ultimate predator , just happens to have the one thing , most things on this planet don't have, a superior intellect. But ! Man is also still subject to nature , which supercedes all man made laws/rules/ethics . To say any one way is wrong or right is plain wrong , Ethics are man made , and therefore , open to interpretation, as to where you/he /she /it , stands as to your own personal view. NO ONE IS RIGHT OR WRONG ! It's that simple , live and let live, each of us has our own standard of ethics we adhere to.
 
Man is a predator, anyone that says he is not , is a moron![/B] Predators use, whatever means they have to their advantage, ANYTHING GOES ! Man , Being the ultimate predator , just happens to have the one thing , most things on this planet don't have, a superior intellect. But ! Man is also still subject to nature , which supercedes all man made laws/rules/ethics . To say any one way is wrong or right is plain wrong , Ethics are man made , and therefore , open to interpretation, as to where you/he /she /it , stands as to your own personal view. NO ONE IS RIGHT OR WRONG ! It's that simple , live and let live, each of us has our own standard of ethics we adhere to.


Due to our superior intellect, we can also form our own opinions, and some people's opinion is that this shot was unethical and we're explaining why we believe this to be so.
 
I think what he meant was that the video was posted on the net because of the distance, not the "hunt", hence the title he posted on youtube.

Much like "Best of the West" would lose a large portion of its audience (sadly) if shots were 150 yards or less.

If you watch the rest of his videos, some are at close range.

Some are of trapping, which is a very close range affair.

So that dispels the whole "he shot the moose at long range only so he had something to put on Youtube" theory....
 
Here is an interesting question:

If he had stalked to within 100 yards and shot the moose in the exact same place with the exact same results, would we consider this shot unethical?
 
I'm gonna go with no.Gatehouse.

What about if the shooter missed his mark at 100yds by just a few inches and the moose ran off to die three days later of sepsis. Would that be ethical?
 
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