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I didn't think any prohibs had restrictions on non-serialized parts? Other than the obvious (supressors, full auto components, etc..)

Definitely enough guys out there who have done conversions on Valmets with AK/Galil parts.. Or the G36 conversions...

What am I missing?!

Even with the ban, I thought we'd still be free to buy/trade/sell any parts other than the lower? The same way I can buy AK handguards or a Galil stock?

specifically states near the end all uppers are now prohib to prevent mounting on printed or illegal lowers. such stupidity so someone committing a crime getting an illegal lower just buys a whole gun. All this based on high cap mags which are already illegal here...
 
Look in this thread and it's easy to see why the majority don't want AR-15's kicking around. You have the Moron Labe crowd advocating armed resistance and in one case, civil war. WTF! Dude clearly has never been to a conflict zone or applied violence against other human beings....you don't even think about bringing that #### into this country. So for every 10,000 civil, nice to be around, "assault weapon" owners capable of honest debate, you get one retard like that and it destroys the image of all. Unfortunately these same guys are the ones with wet-dreams of societal collapse and a survivalist reality.

My friend, its clear you have never been to an area of conflict. Its also clear that you have no historical knowledge. Because you would know that empowering the citizenry to protect themselves is how you avoid mass graves and genocide. Im sure the Armenians, Jews, Syrians, Kurds, Bosnians/Kosavars/Albanians would agree.

Also,in the last 100 years TWO OF THE LARGEST EMPIRES INVADED AFGHANISTAN AND GOT DEFEATED BY MILDLY ARMED CITIZENS THAT FORMED MILITIA.

You have no IDEA of what or where I have been bro. And "this country" is a shyte hole in case you've missed it. You think you have some special monopoly on experiencing the horrors of what people can do to each other. some special monopoly on applying violence. You aren't special. People have been doing it to each other since the first cave man picked up a stick.

The only retard here is you. Your nice "civil Canadian discourse" is what has led this country into the crapper. Im not advocating FA in terms of civil war, I state the definition, and how easy empires fall and what Molon labe actually means. Which was a message sent to an INVADING ARMY not the government FFS. And no I don't want society to collapse, I like my life and being able to come home to piece and quiet. Had enough excitement thank you.

If you understood history you would know things not have a liberal seizure and attack people.

1) Most Canadians did not vote for this government. We don't have a democracy we have mob rule where the minority stripes the rights, assets of others.

2) You need to check out how our money system and banks work, who issues money? Its all a scam thats been played out many times in history since Roman times. Please read some economic history. Our fiat fake money system is on its last stage, it could be a year, it could be tomorrow, or it could be another 10 years.

3) When governments/kings realize their economic ponzi scheme fraud is almost up, first thing they do is confiscate all the pitchforks. The way gun confiscation is being pushed so aggressively lately, and on an international level should make you really uncomfortable.

4) You need to chat with people who were present when their economic systems & society collapsed around them in a matter of weeks/days. Try people who lived in Russia during soviet collapse, during Yugoslavia's collapse, during Argentina's economic collapse. There are a lot of them in Canada, you will LEARN a lot about how the real world works.

Dont let normalcy bias blind you.


@TT1900, seriously people like you are a fuccn national security risk. First to collaborate with the enemy and turn in your neighbours. First to get on the government dicc when sh*t goes south and oppress. Its people like you that need to be banned.
 
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make no mistake this is stage oneand opportunistic. 48k jobs will be affected they say but now itsno big deal with millions of covid jobs lost. Be sure any things they missed on the list will soon be added and if they proceed with giving municipalities the right to decide on pistols that will be a real #### show as they dont have $ for buybacks and will say get rid of it or we take it no 2 yrs no $ no nada
 
cause the ndp and bloc support it and would look nasty in press conservative fighting against, nothing to gain so silence
 
It is interesting how publicly palatable banning certain, some or all firearms seems to be in the name of keeping people safe. Point out that substance abuse kills on average 10 people per day in Canada, with 75% of those numbers directly from alcohol and that perhaps that's a better safety initiative and ~everyone~ gets their back up in defence of it. Eliminating that would save vastly more lives and dramatically reduce the violence for every intersectional gender identity. But no.

Despite the rather gross press conference where they repeated a) opinions as fact and b) multiple inferences designed expressly to mislead, they did repeat their true motives repeatedly: [these weapons] have no place in Canadian society. It's not a safety issue, never has been. It's a philosophical position. That may give us some small break within which to push our wedge.

There are four primary groups: pro-freedom, anti-gun as a philosophy/agenda, anti-gun as a means to safety, those that don't care at all with some overlap in the middle. A sustained and careful education of those in the safety and don't-care group could prove very beneficial to changing the general public's position on them. The erosion of rights based on the personal preferences of a few is a very dangerous thing, conspiracy theories aside.

Nobody needs: 2000 sq feet homes, vehicles exceeding X power limit, motorcycles, tobacco, alcohol, more than 1 car per family, more than x pounds of meat per person per year and so on and so on. The list of things the population at large take for granted, is all on the table. There's not a lot of items that can't be shoved into the "nobody needs" category if someone has enough political support.

^what this guy said.
 
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Look in this thread and it's easy to see why the majority don't want AR-15's kicking around. You have the Moron Labe crowd advocating armed resistance and in one case, civil war. WTF! Dude clearly has never been to a conflict zone or applied violence against other human beings....you don't even think about bringing that #### into this country. So for every 10,000 civil, nice to be around, "assault weapon" owners capable of honest debate, you get one retard like that and it destroys the image of all. Unfortunately these same guys are the ones with wet-dreams of societal collapse and a survivalist reality.

Exactly this. Between the infowarriors and their antivaxIRchippseudoscience and the wannabe Wex-verines it's a laughing stock. Some guy on CGV was talking about Bill Gates and a UFO conspiracy(!!!!) being behind it. Another guy was asking where to find DIY grenade plans. Come on. Grow up.

Most Canadians don't give a crap about guns. If we want to tilt at least some of those people into accepting lawful gun ownership isn't harmful, you have to knock it off with the paranoid ramblings about NWO and stone formations and the collapse of civil society. It's embarrassing. And those are the comments that people fixate on.

If you feel this is some grand conspiracy, feel free. But STFU about it and let reasonable and articulate people speak for our side.
 
My friend, its clear you have never been to an area of conflict. Its also clear that you have no historical knowledge. Because you would know that empowering the citizenry to protect themselves is how you avoid mass graves and genocide. Im sure the Armenians, Jews, Syrians, Kurds, Bosnians/Kosavars/Albanians would agree.

Also,in the last 100 years TWO OF THE LARGEST EMPIRES INVADED AFGHANISTAN AND GOT DEFEATED BY MILDLY ARMED CITIZENS THAT FORMED MILITIA.

You have no IDEA of what or where I have been bro. And "this country" is a shyte hole in case you've missed it. You think you have some special monopoly on experiencing the horrors of what people can do to each other. some special monopoly on applying violence. You aren't special. People have been doing it to each other since the first cave man picked up a stick.

The only retard here is you. Your nice "civil Canadian discourse" is what has led this country into the crapper. Im not advocating FA in terms of civil war, I state the definition, and how easy empires fall and what Molon labe actually means. Which was a message sent to an INVADING ARMY not the government FFS. And no I don't want society to collapse, I like my life and being able to come home to piece and quiet. Had enough excitement thank you.

If you understood history you would know things not have a liberal seizure and attack people.




@TT1900, seriously people like you are a fuccn national security risk. First to collaborate with the enemy and turn in your neighbours. First to get on the government dicc when sh*t goes south and oppress. Its people like you that need to be banned.

And based on that, the 99.99% of the population that did not own an AR, just decided that in the end game you describe they would rather level the playing field. Tactically, why was that a mistake on their part, in the power wars?
 
And based on that, the 99.99% of the population that did not own an AR, just decided that in the end game you describe they would rather level the playing field. Tactically, why was that a mistake on their part, in the power wars?

The reason the people of Afghanistan bury invading army after invading army is because they have nothing to lose.

Generally when people take up arms against an invader or tyrant it's because they have nothing. No food, no clean water, no freedom of movement, religious oppression, etc. You think the average Canadian - even the average Canadian gun owner - is in anything close to the same situation? Most people aren't going to risk anything for a couple of guns.

Meanwhile in Canada we have abundant food and gasoline, multiple cable channels, clean air and water, infinite internet ####, limitless shopping options, freedom of religion, inexpensive schools and healthcare, and copious lines of credit. Who - including Trustme - is going to risk all that for a gun or two?

Nobody is going to take up literal arms about this. Nobody is going to secede from the country. But what we can do it litigate and educate for two years. And maybe, that way, we can win.
 
My friend, its clear you have never been to an area of conflict. Its also clear that you have no historical knowledge. Because you would know that empowering the citizenry to protect themselves is how you avoid mass graves and genocide. Im sure the Armenians, Jews, Syrians, Kurds, Bosnians/Kosavars/Albanians would agree.

Also,in the last 100 years TWO OF THE LARGEST EMPIRES INVADED AFGHANISTAN AND GOT DEFEATED BY MILDLY ARMED CITIZENS THAT FORMED MILITIA.


You have no IDEA of what or where I have been bro. And "this country" is a shyte hole in case you've missed it. You think you have some special monopoly on experiencing the horrors of what people can do to each other. some special monopoly on applying violence. You aren't special. People have been doing it to each other since the first cave man picked up a stick.

The only retard here is you. Your nice "civil Canadian discourse" is what has led this country into the crapper. Im not advocating FA in terms of civil war, I state the definition, and how easy empires fall and what Molon labe actually means. Which was a message sent to an INVADING ARMY not the government FFS. And no I don't want society to collapse, I like my life and being able to come home to piece and quiet. Had enough excitement thank you.

If you understood history you would know things not have a liberal seizure and attack people.







like seriously people like you are a fuccn national security risk. First to collaborate with the enemy and turn in your neighbours. First to get on the government dicc when sh*t goes south and oppress. Its people like you that need to be banned.

You’re right bro, I don’t know what you’ve been through bro, but I’m sure playing Call of Duty in your parents basement has left lifelong scars, bro.

I certainly don’t have a monopoly on experiencing the horrors people inflict on each other, and was substantially more insulated than those on the ground. That said, I’ve seen enough to know that Canada is far from a shyte hole and remains one of the best places on earth in which to live. While there are things I would like to see changed, this being one of them, I still feel relief and gratitude every time I step foot back on Canadian soil after extended time away.

Recent history shows that an armed populace doesn’t do squat. The quantity of small arms floating around in the Balkans, Middle-East, Southwest Asia and sub-Saharan Africa hasn’t done a damn thing to preserve individual securities, rights, or freedoms, nor those at a national or state level. People love to use Afghanistan as this shining example of an armed population fighting off the great armies and presumably preserving liberty, but show of hands, who wants to live there these days? And yet, in the 50’s and 60’s it was one of the most progressive, advanced, and stable country’s in the region. Look it up. History is, indeed, very interesting.

The fact that guns keep coming up as the guarantor of freedom is part of the problem. Guns just are. They aren’t good, they aren’t bad, they just are. Open and democratic societies are established and maintained by education, dialogue, and compromise towards common objectives. When populations become polarized beyond reason by extremist elements is when problems occur.

####.....I hope I’m not a national security risk.....guess I should ask to have my clearance level reviewed. Bit of a risk though. I kind of want to keep my reserve position given my airline career might be taking an untimely and indefinite hiatus. Tough call.

Banned? Banned from what, bro? Can’t handle another bro’s brotherly opinion, bro?

If you were one of the guys on the ground then you have my gratitude and respect. But I’m still not your bro.
 
The reason the people of Afghanistan bury invading army after invading army is because they have nothing to lose.

Generally when people take up arms against an invader or tyrant it's because they have nothing. No food, no clean water, no freedom of movement, religious oppression, etc. You think the average Canadian - even the average Canadian gun owner - is in anything close to the same situation? Most people aren't going to risk anything for a couple of guns.

Meanwhile in Canada we have abundant food and gasoline, multiple cable channels, clean air and water, infinite internet ####, limitless shopping options, freedom of religion, inexpensive schools and healthcare, and copious lines of credit. Who - including Trustme - is going to risk all that for a gun or two?

Nobody is going to take up literal arms about this. Nobody is going to secede from the country. But what we can do it litigate and educate for two years. And maybe, that way, we can win.


100%.
 
The reason the people of Afghanistan bury invading army after invading army is because they have nothing to lose.

Generally when people take up arms against an invader or tyrant it's because they have nothing. No food, no clean water, no freedom of movement, religious oppression, etc. You think the average Canadian - even the average Canadian gun owner - is in anything close to the same situation? Most people aren't going to risk anything for a couple of guns.

Meanwhile in Canada we have abundant food and gasoline, multiple cable channels, clean air and water, infinite internet ####, limitless shopping options, freedom of religion, inexpensive schools and healthcare, and copious lines of credit. Who - including Trustme - is going to risk all that for a gun or two?

Nobody is going to take up literal arms about this. Nobody is going to secede from the country. But what we can do it litigate and educate for two years. And maybe, that way, we can win.

Pretty much. People think this is just about AR's but its about soooo much more. I wonder what Justin would do to his OIC if 10,000 armed citizens showed up to peacefully protest on the HoC lawn. Probably burn it on the steps.
 
anything more than what they have been doing. They could host town hall meettings. Organize protests. get all over social media. get interviews with main stream media. Host debates etc etc. They literally do nothing

I was at a bank meeting between the CBA and the MPs from TO, back in the 90s. The Banks wanted to get the right to do more mergers, and had assembled other associations and we met with the MPs. They said no problem, all you have to do is change public opinion on further bank mergers. So the CBA made some of the stupidest ads ever seen on Canadian TV that took the line of "we know better than you...", They got parodied on This Hour Has 22 minutes, and the rest is history. No regulatory change.

Given that if all the people who have ARs only had one, then they would still only represent .2% of the population in a country where amazingly 65% of the country think Ol' Blackface is doing a good job. Hell will freeze over...

And to make maters worse, guns are actually a wedge issue, which means that even if you got a lot of support it would almost certainly be on the wrong side of the power spectrum that traditionally runs Canada, for ever.

To paraphrase 3:10 to Yuma: "Sometimes a lobby has to be big enough to realize just how small it really is".

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Too bad the US companies don't care because they could appeal under the old FTA, at least, when Canada stops the sale of something they traditionally allowed. There was something on MMT where it was banned in the US for killing people, or something, but we were not allowed to ban it up here. Not sure how it all turned out. Ethyl Corp vs Gov of Can. Not a lawyer, have no idea.

And Annisman established that regulations could not be used to do something not contemplated in the rule, though given they are always screwing with guns it probably is in the rule.
 
I was at a bank meeting between the CBA and the MPs from TO, back in the 90s. The Banks wanted to get the right to do more mergers, and had assembled other associations and we met with the MPs. They said no problem, all you have to do is change public opinion on further bank mergers. So the CBA made some of the stupidest ads ever seen on Canadian TV that took the line of "we know better than you...", They got parodied on This Hour Has 22 minutes, and the rest is history. No regulatory change.

Given that if all the people who have ARs only had one, then they would still only represent .2% of the population in a country where amazingly 65% of the country think Ol' Blackface is doing a good job. Hell will freeze over...

And to make maters worse, guns are actually a wedge issue, which means that even if you got a lot of support it would almost certainly be on the wrong side of the power spectrum that traditionally runs Canada, for ever.

To paraphrase 3:10 to Yuma: "Sometimes a lobby has to be big enough to realize just how small it really is".

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Too bad the US companies don't care because they could appeal under the old FTA, at least, when Canada stops the sale of something they traditionally allowed. There was something on MMT where it was banned in the US for killing people, or something, but we were not allowed to ban it up here. Not sure how it all turned out. Ethyl Corp vs Gov of Can. Not a lawyer, have no idea.

And Annisman established that regulations could not be used to do something not contemplated in the rule, though given they are always screwing with guns it probably is in the rule.

I get it but doing nothing is worse. These orgs are here for what exactly if not to stand up for gun rights? the NRA would go ballsitic(pun intended) if something like this happened in the US. Now like i said before, we arent the US and these orgs are not big like NRA is BUT they are OUR NRA and thewy do nothing
 
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