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I just finnished my little project . It was a beaten up finnish mosin Nagant (1927). but it shoots quite well Its a tad longer than the 91/30 model . the wood was almost black and there was no blue left on it .and i got a repro pu mount with a modern scope on it (Ebay). I ended up making the bolt myself and had a local gunsmith (D Henry) glue it together for me .Im quite pleased with the result .
I have another nagant project on the go , this one was the test i got a post ww2 pu scope and mount from russia and i am gonna fit it to my other 91/30 laminated Nagant

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The only thing that would complete the picture is if the barrel had a step in it at the front. Not to be harsh, but did you research the history of that finn before you drilled it? The finns used a surface finish that tended to make stock dark as all hell. Ohhh well, how does it shoot?
 
I got the rifle from an old guy who shot a few moose with it , it was beaten up and had some deep gouges on it and the wood surface was coverd in grease especially behind the bolt and trigger that could be scraped off with your finger nail . quite icky and dark , but it scrubbed off
the bolt is made of bits from tula and the other place .
 
I have to be honest here. What you've done is taken a really rare 1927 dated early Finn M91 worth probably $350+++ and turned it into a $150 fantasy piece that NEVER existed in any military anywhere.

The black finish you took off was the proper pine tar finish.

Congrats! Give my regards to your friend bubba and never go into investment planning cuz you stink at it.
 
Claven2 said:
I have to be honest here. What you've done is taken a really rare 1927 dated early Finn M91 worth probably $350+++ and turned it into a $150 fantasy piece that NEVER existed in any military anywhere.

The black finish you took off was the proper pine tar finish.

Congrats! Give my regards to your friend bubba and never go into investment planning cuz you stink at it.
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HARSH, but the truth sometimes hurts.....:wave:
 
ianwd said:
I just finnished my little project . It was a beaten up finnish mosin Nagant (1927). but it shoots quite well Its a tad longer than the 91/30 model . the wood was almost black and there was no blue left on it .and i got a repro pu mount with a modern scope on it (Ebay). I ended up making the bolt myself and had a local gunsmith (D Henry) glue it together for me .Im quite pleased with the result .
I have another nagant project on the go , this one was the test i got a post ww2 pu scope and mount from russia and i am gonna fit it to my other 91/30 laminated Nagant

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/ianwd/100_4215.jpg
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Well done, you have nicely restored an old junker into a good looking looking practical rifle and kept the military configuration at the same time.

So many people these days have old junkers that they are frightened to touch in case they loose a few bucks, they would rather they sat unshot gathering dust.
 
Groan.

If the rifle is actually marked 1927 anywhere on it, then it's either a Tubata P-27, or a SIG barelled M91 (Army rifle - non-M24), or a REALLY early tikka.

Either way, it was exceedingly rare as Finn mosins go and worth more than the sum of its parts. Anyone who doesn;t recognize this is, frankly, uninformed, leaning towards DENSE. As an earlier poster pointed out -the truth hurts.

And Spencer, you are frankly in the WRONG FORUM to be expressing "go ahead and bubba it" opinions. The milsurps forum is about preserving original military arms, not ruining them. Perhaps you ought to visit the gunsmithing forum, or maybe the sporting rifles forum?
 
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And Spencer, you are frankly in the WRONG FORUM to be expressing "go ahead and bubba it" opinions. The milsurps forum is about preserving original military arms, not ruining them. Perhaps you ought to visit the gunsmithing forum, or maybe the sporting rifles forum?
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WRONG FORUM :confused: I don't think so, all my rifles are milsurp and all have telescopic sights whether they were originally fitted with them or not. The reason being is that my eyes are not what they used to be and I like to actually shoot my rifles:eek: This is not "bubba" it's practical, after all milsurp rifles were meant to be shot, not to be displayed in a museum.

Here is a pic of my latest aquisition, an unissued M-44, it will soon get a repro PU mount like ianwd's rifle. I think I will PM him for a bit of practical advise:)


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Spencer, you should change your user name to Bubba....just my humble opinion though......I'm not big on Swiss-Cheesing original configuration milsurps either I'm afraid.....
 
He's not in the wrong forum...it's still a milsurp ...although altered
Getting feedback , be it positive or negative is how we learn . ...and sharp critisims save original milsurp rifles.

Unless the rifle has been altered beyond restoration , I'll ( strongly ) agree with the others on not cutting /drilling into them .
A good cleaning is all I'll do...even that will get "hardcore collectors" strirring in thier seats.
Even if the blueing is wearing or dings and bruises on the stocks I'll leave it as it is.
Different rifles also have different final finishes on the wood . Mosin's are usually shellac . A thin handrubbed shellac finish looks good.
There are bit's 'n pieces to add to some milsurps that don't need any alterations ...those I have and those I will have fun with to "dressup" a favorite rifle, but it can all be put back to original again.
 
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Holy smoly people calm down and be nice ,Its seems the Jury reached a verdict before the defence council enterd the building. why so negative .the only finnish markings on the rifle is the SA
and Early Tikkakoski logo on the Barrel shank T inside triangle.
Remember they sourced rifles from all over the place and swapped bits about .which is the case with this rifle Couter bored and all that fun stuff . it also has Rear sight remarked in meters from Russian arshin Imperial Eagle and Cyrillic PK "Probaya Komissiya (ProofCommission)" and this probably wont help matters ,but
Receiver and Barrel shank has Serbian crown and also on Barrel shank Serbian C
the stock diddnt have any makings on it appart from dents and scratches . so may also have been from another source . Non matching bolt parts and magazine.. verry few markings compared to most i have come across.
As i have no intention of selling the beast price is irrellavent . to me its a nice shooter and i wanted to put a scope on it and the only appropriate scope for it was a PU all be it a reproduction .
Is it all right with you all if i go ahead an put the genuine(but post war) PU mountand scope on my 91/30 Tula . it is laminated . sold by the thousand in Canada . I humbly appologise to all who are having a complex .
Huggs & Kisses Ian
 
Unfortunately, you did destroy a fairly rare Finn rifle for your project.

- The C marking is not Serbian, but refers to the bore diameter used on the barrel.

- Counterboring, matching numbers only on barrel shank and bolt, absence of markings on stock and remarked rear sight are all normal and proper for a Finn Mosin-Nagant rifle.

Tikka only produced 7,000 straight contoured barrels during the 1925-27 period, considering they went through two wars, not many of these Tikka barrelled rifles survived.
 
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Unfortunately, you did destroy a fairly rare Finn rifle for your project.

- The C marking is not Serbian, but refers to the bore diameter used on the barrel.

- Counterboring, matching numbers only on barrel shank and bolt, absence of markings on stock and remarked rear sight are all normal and proper for a Finn Mosin-Nagant rifle.

Tikka only produced 7,000 straight contoured barrels during the 1925-27 period, considering they went through two wars, not many of these Tikka barrelled rifles survived.
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I diddnt destroy anything . it works lovely . what about the serbian crown then ?
 
Yes it is possible your receiver has a Serbian crown, since the Finns never made their receivers and bought or traded with other countries to obtain receivers. The C on the the Tikka barrel is definitely a bore diameter marking, they will be found with A-B-C markings. It may still go bang, but it no longer has any collector or historical value. I won't elaborate anymore on the subject since the harm to the rifle is permanent and nothing I can say will change that, but still sad to see an old warhorse end like this!
 
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Historical value is, I think, the main loss. 7000 rifles to start, half lost through use & war damage(thats being hopeful)=3500. Number imported into Canada instead of USA, lets index that to the population(we probably got less)=1150(more or less). Given that most were imported years ago & sold cheaply(after all who would pay big bucks for a ratty looking piece) lets say half were cut down at time of import as soon as sold=550. That number is extremely optimistic & I would estimate that there are less that 100 of those in the country right now & one of them has two big holes in it(reciever is useless without a serious amount of work), had the stock sanded & cut(hard to repair & it will never look the same again). That 99 rifles left for the people that appreciate what it meant for 32 Finns to hold off 4000 well armed soviets using those very arms. Got to wonder why some finn arms are so banged up.
 
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