Mosin Original WW2 Dated Matching Sniper Rifles for SALE!
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Coyote Ugly
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Nice looking rig!
I shot my ATI US import Izhevsk today. It was fun!
The scope was close on windage, but the reticle was high to line up. Easy enough to fix that, as long as I can move the 2 staked screws.
Adjusting these PU scopes is a snap.
Worked pretty slick.
Coyote Ugly
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Here's my M52 Hungarian PU Sniper, dated 1953. No import marks. No electro pencil. Original finish. Must be from the 70's/80's. Although some of these Hungarian Snipers came back to the USA from Vietnam as Vet Bring Backs. I also have a PU scope for it. The one shown is an SVT scope.
Here's a pic of an M52 Hungarian Sniper Bring Back from Vietnam:
Here's a pic of an M52 Hungarian Sniper Bring Back from Vietnam:
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Coyote Ugly
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According to this write up, Hungary only made 91/30 rifles from 1951-1954.
http://www.milsurps.com/content.php?r=260-1954-Mosin-Nagant-M52-Hungarian-Sniper-Rifle
From what I have read, Tula only made Snipers during 1943-44. However, rifles that did not meet accuracy standards were still stamped CH but not drilled and issued as standard 91/30's. This makes sense as generally the only 1943-44 Tula's you see are snipers or standard rifles with CH markings.
I know that some German WWII snipers (bcd LSR's for example) usually fall within a few ranges of serial numbers but there are also several standard rifles in those same ranges.
The bcd factory probably recieved an order for snipers, then for the next few weeks/months they tested and selected rifles with enough accuracy. This would explain "bunches" of snipers within a specific range.
I know even modern companies like Weatherby have a 1 1/2" accuracy rating on their Mark V rifles. When they test rifles, they select a few that are sub MOA and sell them in the Custom shop. If ordered on request they don't always have these rifles in stock and then they need to test rifles coming off the line. If sub moa, a new lazer engraved magazine base plate is added and the rifle is sold.
My 44 Izzy showed up last night from Tradex. For $650, I got a $650 rifle. Bore is fair and the rest of the metal is great but the stock cut out is poorly done and I don't know if it was done last week or thirty years ago. Not impressed with tradex as they told me that all scopes were dated and of course mine was not. The crosshairs are terrible, it looks like the paint ran as the edges are not straight at all and the post point isn't crisp. At least this is proof that it's an original, anyone trying to build a fake would do a better job. I don't know enough to comment on the originality of the gun but the s/n does fall within known ranges as stated here. I'm not knocking it, I'm just saying it's a fair price for what I got. I'll enjoy shooting it frequently and I'll probably fall in love but it's no crown jewel. We'll see if Weimajack pulls through with my Tula. I expect I will be pleased.
Coyote Ugly
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Don't worry about the undated scope, they came like that during WW2, just depending on when they were made.
Roger that!
I was worried when I saw some that scopes were not dated (Post war?), but after more study, I found out that undated scopes were very common, especially for specific makers.
Better to have an undated scope, than an unmatching scope year on your dated reciever (eg. 1942 scope on a 1944 rifle).
Great pics for comparison here:
http://www.mosinnagant.net/sniper%20section/snipertext1.asp
Did you give the bore a good scrubbing? My izzy from weimajack is in excellent condition, the bore looked very good but once i cleaned the grease and dirt out of it, in fact the bore is like new,extremely sharp rifling,spotlessly clean bore
I hope to shoot it on weekend Question for all of you that received your sniper, how your lenses cover are doing? Mine fit very loosely, the leather have swelled over years or storage. Should i try to fix the cover or snag new one,repro possibly, any toughts?Joce
Did you give the bore a good scrubbing? My izzy from weimajack is in excellent condition, the bore looked very good but once i cleaned the grease and dirt out of it, in fact the bore is like new,extremely sharp rifling,spotlessly clean bore
Joce
My lens caps are loose too, but it doesn't matter. Just rotate one of them so it pulls the strap tight as it goes around the tube.
Exactly what i did
I also slide the scope of the mount to pass the strap and put back the scope in position, now the caps are captive.
Joce
So got my sniper (yay) from SFRC, and noticed it does not have a MADE IN RUSSIA import mark like some people did get. Did I get lucky or something? Scope also has it's hammer/sickle marking in a different spot, closer to the rear then the front (barrel side). It only has a serial number n117797 no year (was this a repo thing?).
So what is with this one? Got the Russian booklet with it too from Monom I assume? It's totally black, is this the wood or the cosmoline tinting it? Anyway... gotta go get a tin to boil the parts in.
WTF, seems I am missing the giant locking screw....... wtf?
So what is with this one? Got the Russian booklet with it too from Monom I assume? It's totally black, is this the wood or the cosmoline tinting it? Anyway... gotta go get a tin to boil the parts in.
WTF, seems I am missing the giant locking screw....... wtf?
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Exactly what i did
Joce
Educate me, is that an SVT or PU scope. Do you tell by year? color of rings (silver or brass colored)? And how do you zero scope, some screws looked staked, do they have to be unscrewed too?Thanks!
Set the rifle on some sandbags or similar on a rifle range.
Hold the rifle tightly and sight on a point on the backstop, like the corner of a target or similar.
Now, without moving the rifle at all, look through the scope. Move the elevation and windage knobs carefully till the pointer is right on the same point the sights are on. It's called co-witnessing AFAIK.
You can also pull the bolt and look through the bore, same deal.
Do it over and over till you have it perfect. It's very easy on these Mosin PU's.
Then, shoot it and see how the two compare.
You only need to touch the staked elevation screws for the mount if the crosshair is way up or way down in the field of view when the scope is sighted in.
ps I think you have an SVT scope. Hard to tell with the lens caps on.
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Yes its a SVT scope but elevation turret dont have the CB marking like they usually have when fitted to a M91/30.
Joce
I have a SVT scope. The SVT scope body is smaller between the turret and the eye piece.
You can see the circled area showing the smaller portion of the scope body. A PU scope will have same diameter as the eye piece(marked with the arrow)
Joce
