Mosin Original WW2 Dated Matching Sniper Rifles for SALE!

I bought one from PS about 2-4 years ago and was very happy. I think the ones being currenlty sold for premium prices are the same as the ones from PS (but more expensive) and the same as the ones that Sarco Int is selling in the US for $500.
The cheaper snipers out there are poorly made clones.
 
ghostntheshell said:
When are we going to get more info / pics of hese rifles??
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Agreed, pics please people as they come in! :wave:

I am dying to know if it is coincidental that so many of these are all coming in at once. Are they all the same?

An extensive search of US sites has shown me that Russia appears to be clearing out their armouries of Mosin snipers, be they police guns or whatever.
Or, are they real?

The ones Wolverine have appear real. They have been out for 2 years or so and the US experts have dissected them. They stand up to scrutiny as the serial numbers are in known sniper ranges. The scopes and mounts are refurbed originals. There are certain anomolies including the finish on the wood and the font and size of the scope number stamping on the barrel. But, how can you go wrong for $600 (plus plus) for a real sniper? A real Mosin scope and bracket are worth a significant portion of that price.

People in the US have opened the boxes on them and seen markings from Tula arsenal in Russia, presumably refurbed there. The question of course is how long ago?

Now, as for the bunch that about 6 or more site vendors are selling? I'd love to see pics. There are some in the US that have electro-pencilled s/n on the scope mounts and the ones like Wolverine's that have stamped s/n on the mounts.

There is also the word that the Ukrainian repro mills are continuing to crank out repros as we've seen for a few years.(with new production scopes vs the originals on the latest crop)
 
Police issue guns, some have electro-penciled numbers and others have stamped numbers on the mounts, the electro-penciled numbers are typical of 50 early 60's refurbs. There are no 100% WW2 original snipers in the lot, frankly I do not think anything like that exists on the surplus market anymore. Probably refurbed at Izhevsk and certainly Post-WW2, since even the Tulas have scope numbers stamped on the barrel shank which was not done on Tula production rifles during WW2 (only the CH marking was applied).
 
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Thank you very much for these informations, JP. We know now a little bit more what we are talking about.
 
So it appears from what JP saying is that we are looking at surplus sniper rifles, complete, though not the "exact" pair from WW2. Though built on WW2 era rifles the scopes are likely not the exact ones used with those rifles in WW2 but combined later on during the 50s/60s where the scope serial# was then either electro-penciled or stamped.
If the scopes were also built during the ww2 era they were refurbished 10-20yrs later.
Rifles may also have been refurbed then too.
That would also explain why the price is $600-700 instead of $1000 and up.
Yet they are only slightly more $$ than a repro and here is where the differences are.

1. Repros are usually on regular infantry rifles, these, especially those marked CH, are actual sniper rifles.
2. Repros have new manufacture scopes. These are older scopes refurbished.
3. There is a slight possibility these could be actual WW2 sniper rifles, complete, or at the least used in other conflicts from Korea to Afganistan 1980 -as sniper rifles, whereas the repro's were never used as sniper rifles.

Thus the one's being offered for sale now have some historical value, whereas the repros have nil.

For those, myself included, that need a bit more history than rifle, we are interested in buying these new ones coming out, whereas we did not buy the repro's.

All makes sense. Different market for different buyers. Sounds like there are enough coming in so that EVERYONE that wants one will get one. That is cool. Should be lots of mosin sniper action on the ranges for the next few years.

Whoever starting bringing these in and created the floodgate my hat is off to you. Keep on digging and bringing in more goodies like them.
 
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Tula 91/30's

MiG25 said:
people can pronounce tula.
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I still don't know how to pronounce Izevesk so I ordered the 2 all matching Tula snipers from Weimajack last Friday.

Actually, I already have a number of Izevesk repro snipers from Westrifle so for another $130 plus tax I now have the original article. I'm happy to pay the difference.

I still wish I hadn't sold that mint Hungarian all matching PU sniper back in 2009. I paid $575 for it back in 1997 at the Ancaster show and I think I was about the only person there who showed any interest in it. I thought it was Russian at the time.
 
I spoke with JP this morning. These are original WWII sniper rifles with original WWII PU scopes, however the scopes/rifles were mated post war (both probably if not most certainly were refurbed). The snipers he used to sell were clones with post war produced scopes.

However he is selling this new rifles as the same price. So why not pick up a rifle with original parts?

In my opinon if you want a WWII sniper and as far as desirability goes you want:
1. All matching Sniper;
2. Original Sniper completed with original parts;
3. Original Sniper completed with repro parts; or
4. Sniper clone.
As far as above 1-3 all have legit historical value and then price and availibiliy become the deciding factors. However, if just shooting, number 4 is not a bad bet either.
 
IMHO, these are a great grab! These are out of actual Russian service, refurbed by their arsenals to their specs. When they are all gone, people will lament that they didn't grab one when they had the chance!


sledge said:
So it appears from what JP saying is that we are looking at surplus sniper rifles, complete, though not the "exact" pair from WW2. Though built on WW2 era rifles the scopes are likely not the exact ones used with those rifles in WW2 but combined later on during the 50s/60s where the scope serial# was then either electro-penciled or stamped.
If the scopes were also built during the ww2 era they were refurbished 10-20yrs later.
Rifles may also have been refurbed then too.
That would also explain why the price is $600-700 instead of $1000 and up.
Yet they are only slightly more $$ than a repro and here is where the differences are.

1. Repros are usually on infantry rifles, these, especially those marked CH, are actual sniper rifles.
2. Repros have new manufacture scopes. These are older scopes refurbished.
3. There is a slight possibility these could be actual WW2 sniper rifles, complete, or at the least used in other conflicts from Korea to Afganistan 1980 -as sniper rifles, whereas the repro's were never used as sniper rifles.

Thus the one's being offered for sale now have some historical value, whereas the repros have nil.

For those, myself included, that need a bit more history than rifle, we are interested in buying these new ones coming out, whereas we did not buy the repro's.

All makes sense. Different market for different buyers. Sounds like there are enough coming in so that EVERYONE that wants one will get one. That is cool. Should be lots of mosin sniper action on the ranges for the next few years.

Whoever starting bringing these in and created the floodgate my hat is off to you. Keep on digging and brining in more goodies like them.
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cantom said:
IMHO, these are a great grab! These are out of actual Russian service, refurbed by their arsenals to their specs. When they are all gone, people will lament that they didn't grab one when they had the chance!
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Agree 100%! I cant wait to receive my Ishevsk and i might grab a Tula later if i can afford. To be noted that only Tula are CH marked for sniper,Ishevsk sniper werent marked that way. I'm testing water to sell my sniper clone but will be hard to sell without a big loss.... Maybe its better to keep it.
Joce
 
svt1940 said:
Agree 100%! I cant wait to receive my Ishevsk and i might grab a Tula later if i can afford. To be noted that only Tula are CH marked for sniper,Ishevsk sniper werent marked that way. I'm testing water to sell my sniper clone but will be hard to sell without a big loss.... Maybe its better to keep it.
Joce
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How much did you buy your clone for? They go for 480 / 520. I paid the 480 for mine from westrifle - and its an accurate shooter! My current fave rifle - I can only hope my "original" will be as accurate!
 
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