Mosin Original WW2 Dated Matching Sniper Rifles for SALE!
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got mine today from weimajack its a beauty its all matching scope mount is electro penciled to match the receiver but other than that it looks great.The scope is definitely original but the scope number on the receiver was scrubed and re stamped at some time to match the scope and rifle .I happy it was defitenly a ww11 sniper rifle as far as i can tell but im no expert
The fact that the original scope number was scrubbed tends to prove it's a real Izhevsk sniper rifle. If the original number wasn't there then there would have been nothing to grind off.
took pics of the onraping will post later didnt get a sling with it though mwonder whats up with that ,bought a 225 ex sniper it hade a sling and bayo, ho thats right didnt get a bayo either with the 778 dollar refurb
Coyote Ugly
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onraping - is that describing the refurbing process to the rifle?
No slings or bayonets with these rifles.
lejarretnoir
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Just bought one from Trade Ex. 
Too tough to pass one of these up. Will do pics and ammo tests when I can.
Too tough to pass one of these up. Will do pics and ammo tests when I can.
Coyote Ugly
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I wonder why they didn't just ###X or ---- it out, rather than Grind it down and renumber it?
Weren't the ex-snipers done like that with the ###X or ---- Treatment?
Is the metal loss quite noticable, like as deep as a number stamp? Like if it isn't, were any numbers there to start with?
Any traces of old numbers that were there?
Weren't the ex-snipers done like that with the ###X or ---- Treatment?
Is the metal loss quite noticable, like as deep as a number stamp? Like if it isn't, were any numbers there to start with?
Any traces of old numbers that were there?
*Edit*
This morning,i took a close up pic from the left side of the barrel shank were they stamped the scope number. Maybe not evident on the pic but that area have been ground off and the new number was stamped. We can feel a slight depression were the old number have been ground off so in my opinion,thoses were original built sniper rifle and been refurb post war as JP said.
Joce
On my Izhevsk, there is a noticeable gap where metal has been removed to eliminate the old number. Looking from the left, it's not noticeable, but from the top looking down it is. A visible gap between metal and wood.
On Tulas, they originally did not have a scope number stamped on. With these refurbs, they have added a number, so it's the first time Tulas have had a number there. Therefore...no grinding or need for it, thus no gap.
Good question ...
Perhaps so it could be passed off as original to the more casual observer?
Regards,
Doug
Good question ...
Perhaps so it could be passed off as original to the more casual observer?
Regards,
Doug
I also wonder this...the only things I can think of are:
These are being refurbed now, not in WWII or 1950 something. The people doing it are the not the same ones that did it back then. They have different standards to meet, one of which is commercial sale to the West. Someone might not like the aesthetics of X ing out a number.
There is one question I have...why is every single scope newly mounted on the rifles? If these are snipers from inventory, why are some of them not with their original scopes? You'd think some of the scopes would still be good no?
Perhaps these are rearsenaled ex-snipers? They haven't had scopes since 1945 till now, and they've mounted scopes from inventory on them to make them more valuable?
I dunno. JP said every single rifle is different, and if it was an assembly line of fakes, as with the Ukrainian rifles we've been seeing for a few years, they'd tend to be all the same. He compared the two types and the differences jumped out.
There would be no reason to grind off the scope number on the Izhevsk rifles unless there was a number there in the first place.
And, on Gunboards, they've analysed the s/n ranges and attributes and these rifles fall into known sniper ranges.
I dunno?
Since the scopes are real though, these rifles are good value for the money no matter what the story is. IMHO
Good analysis .... I agree and for those prices, they are good value...
Personally, I wouldn't buy one as a true collectable that I expect to have the same value increase as a WWII authenticated piece, but I would buy one to be a range shooter ....
Regards,
Doug
I would guess they don't have original scopes because the scopes where refurbed in a different factory than the rifle. How are these not WW2 authenticated? Other that the Hungarians & Finns does anybody have an original matched sniper rifle with its original scope? Wow, we as a group are difficult to please hard asses.
Coyote Ugly
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I wonder if there are pictures of them refurbing them this year (or whenever it was done) at Molot?
Apparently yes. My ATI came in a box with Tula markings. The Molot ones have Made in Russia lasered on to the top of the barrels of most of them. Different source and crop.
