My 1944 mosin PU

Lol
It wasn’t a repro. Have a look at the pics again
All matching not forced
Sold that day for $1600 to a awesome dude in NL he even paid the $100 to ship
Guess you need to re visit prices man lol
 
straightshooter said:
I'm not sure the mods could or should do anything. Surely this isn't the first "I don't know what this might be worth" thread you've seen on this forum. I've seen hundreds.

If this thread prompted him to ask what you consider too high a price, that doesn't hurt anyone except the seller who won't get a sale. Having checked his EE ad, it appears that he's dropped his price significantly based on your feedback.


Now, IIRC, commenting on another user's EE ad IS forbidden. In this case, the OP created a thread that opens the door to comments, as opposed to anyone initiating comments with their own thread (which is certainly not allowed and shouldn't be).

While you might be outraged that someone would pay $1600 for a repro, who knows, maybe there's a market for that. The Mosin Nagant in question is certainly in excellent condition. I didn't see a lot of people knowledgeable in the market prices offering the OP the benefit of their advice.

Let's not think the worst of each other and go for the throat over every little difference of opinion. We are, after all, each other's best hope for building a community of like-minded folks to resist the evil Turdo and his minions.
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Awesome wording
Reason I opened the thread was not to lure buyers as these are very sought after and would have been unnecessary
I honestly didn’t k ow current prices as ones that have sold do not have the price sold for listed
And yes we are a community and need to help each other
Peace
 
Sorry man, I cannot see a number on the scope mount, the bolt doesn't match (this I have never seen on a real sniper). The shellac has been removed, not sanded, alcohol is all you need. I state it again, in 2009, lots of those came in and sorry for the dude who paid you $1,600 for it. Most of them were electro pencilled, easy to remove and punch the numbers in. But I would like to see the front sight, those are actually different on sniper rifles.

But the biggest give away that this is not a real sniper is the bolt handle itself, non matching number and this is how a Russian sniper bolt handle looks like:

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I have a numbers matching sniper. The base matches the rifle and was rescoped. The new serial was stamped on the side of the reciever correctly. The old scope number was lined out.
 
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Most of the fake snipers can be identified by the bolt handle.. That's the first thing to check when buying one. There's someone at ####### trying to sell a repro as an "arsenal refurbished" for $1200, just look at that bolt handle..
 
desporterizer said:
What specifically is wrong with the OP's bolt handle? Too neat?
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Nothing wrong with it except that it's a repro handle. One of the site sponsors sells them: https://westrifle.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=26&products_id=1724

The bolt body was drilled, tapped, then the handle was screwed in and welded in place. Again, nothing wrong with it from the functionality perspective and it's done quite professionally, but it's not original. Look at the picture of the original handle posted above and compare it with this one: https://www.flickr.com/photos/192169126@N08/50931613126/in/album-72157718248035597
If you pay close attention to the spot where the handle is attached to the bolt body you will see the difference. There's another original PU for sale right now: https://ibb.co/R4sXcbf to compare to.
 
firebat said:
Nothing wrong with it except that it's a repro handle. One of the site sponsors sells them: https://westrifle.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=26&products_id=1724

The bolt body was drilled, tapped, then the handle was screwed in and welded in place. Again, nothing wrong with it from the functionality perspective and it's done quite professionally, but it's not original. Look at the picture of the original handle posted above and compare it with this one: https://www.flickr.com/photos/192169126@N08/50931613126/in/album-72157718248035597
If you pay close attention to the spot where the handle is attached to the bolt body you will see the difference. There's another original PU for sale right now: https://ibb.co/R4sXcbf to compare to.
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I disagree. I have seen lot of the west rifle handles and the OP's does not look like that. No seam where the handle meets the bolt body and the bend doesn't match the repro's.

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I disagree. I have seen lot of the west rifle handles and the OP's does not look like that. No seam where the handle meets the bolt body and the bend doesn't match the repro's.

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You know that a real sniper from top to bottom is probably more in the area of 2,500 to 3,500. I am not sure why you compare west rifle, there are many ways to alter the bolt handle (which is only one of many differences but the easiest one to spot). This one here came from the refurbs from 2009. They came like that, still modified for the Canadian market and not real snipers. If you do some homework, you will find the features of real snipers. In the meantime I can sell you my "real" sniper for $1,500 - deal?

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What a rifle sells for is irrelevant. Imports since 2009 have contained everything from complete original assemblies (mostly 44 Tula) to rifles put together from whatever was laying around. I have owned a few from light refurb 44 Tula ( as new but with shellac Inc stamped floorplate) three or four molots and two older "unrefurbed" examples. There was a fair bit of deviation in the way the bolt looked even in the rifles I could guarantee had not been dicked with. I am not saying anything about the "real" sniperness of the op's unit, I just want to know what everybody sees in the handle I don't.
 
Interesting thread. I don’t care either way, I like my rifle, but I can’t see a difference in the bolt handles. Is this a refurb? I’m assuming yes, but who knows lol.

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Interesting thread. I don’t care either way, I like my rifle, but I can’t see a difference in the bolt handles. Is this a refurb? I’m assuming yes, but who knows lol.
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As it was mentioned, there's a lot more to check than just bolt handles to determine if it's a refurb or not, but refurbs that are done in the Soviet armories are "real" snipers in my books. They are not as collectable as non-refurbs and don't fetch the same price but they are a real thing. Repros are a totally different kind of animal and they are not actual snipers but rather sniper look-a-likes that were put together in our days. Fortunately, most repros can be identified by those handles. Some are done better then the others but they don't look the same as the real thing. Your rifle's bolt handle doesn't look like a repro to me. Could be a refurb or a non-refurb but I think it's a real one. And repros are not necessarily bad, they just don't cost that money that an authentic PU does and they don't have any historical or collectable value.
 
Here is my quest for truth from back in 2013....The rifle described in this thread is identical(minus protective shellac coating) to what I was inquiring about back then. I believe there is another one, just like it in the US and it can be found on gunboards. That rifle owned by fellow Ol’Relic.

https://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/164/1301427-m32635809.html

Google translate will help you there. Please note the letter prefix to the serial number of that rifle. Pay very close attention to post 46, made by R_S, aka Ratnik, aka A.S. Yushenko, the owner of m9130.info and dedicated Mosin books writer.

Regards,
 
The bolt handle above looks to be real, very different than what the OT posted. I don't get it why some people don't see that. The scope is real on most. The came from arsenal storage (that's why the scopes on the repros look new).

But as the Russians are saying, if you put all original parts together, they look very real, only a personal inspection can give a better idea. Only one with expert documentation and history is real real. The removed shellac was something done by a bubba, Russian or not, the arsenal never did that and was also not done during repro refit - even if picked from a crate - did you personally open the sealed crate?
 
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I see what you mean. On the the pic it looks like the angle on bent handle is a bit sharp. Look at the pic where the serial number on the bolt shown, there you can see the portion of the handle which looks pretty well normal to me...
 
As being said before, Molot did not make these rifles. Molot received crates of these rifles from the M of D warehouse and engraved them accordingly allowing them to sell it to the civilian market. No, I did not open any crates personally - Molot is a secure facility and no one there will let me do it. And I am pretty sure that shellac was stripped off the rifle here in Canada by one of its previous owners.
 
I found this nice 1944 Tula PU with a Krasnogorsk scope while randomly browsing the Internet and couldn't resist to buy. It seems like a postwar refurb with a laminate stock, I expect it to be a good shooter. Just waiting for it to arrive now :)

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