My 22 shoots 1/2" groups at 50 yards/meters all day! Really? Prove it!

Sure the rifle plays a part. There is a reason there aren't many 10/22s on the list, and that ones that are seem to be heavily modified....

There's also only one Remington 597 on the list... and the only mod it required was a match grade barrel, challenge completed with the stock, creepy, 5# trigger and all other components factory stock. :rolleyes: ;) The rifle plays a huge part, barrel quality is a considerable percentage of that, then ammo selection and tuning dials it in. Fact is, stringing together 5 groups under 1/2" is an impressive feat for the average .22 LR rifle, shooter notwithstanding. There is good reason the thread is entitled "My 22 shoots 1/2" all day", not "I can shoot 1/2" all day." Basic marksmanship skills enable a shooter to produce 1/2" "all day", extracting such performance out of a rimfire takes gunsmith knowledge and artistry. You've seen what I can produce with my CZ custom, during a "testing" session no less (not an intentional attempt at this challenge), yet I have other rifles that would be "lucky" to succeed this challenge.

You can think what you like about the shooter's role, but it cannot be denied that the rifle is primary. Simple logic proves it. Good rifle + good shooter = success, good rifle + poor shooter = possible success or failure. Bad rifle + good shooter = failure, bad rifle + bad shooter = definite failure. Nobody can succeed with a poor rifle, but only a poor shooter will fail with a good rifle, therefore the rifle is the most important factor. Yes, it is up to the shooter to live up to a rifle's potential, but I will place money down on the fact that the majority of shooters do not have their rifles tuned to their peak performance capabilities.

Very few shooters use tuners on their rifles, and the limited selection of ammo, and lots of ammo, here in Canada exacerbates the situation for those striving towards ultimate accuracy. As an anecdote, in my conversations with a member on RFC, he had to test 20 lots of RWS R-50 to find only 2 lots suitable to his rifle without a tuner. Know how many lots of RWS R-50 are available in Canada right now? 1, at Target Shooting Products (Unless Tesro has received some stock of a different lot recently). We don't have an easy road towards accuracy here in Canada, that's for sure.
 
There's also only one Remington 597 on the list... and the only mod it required was a match grade barrel, challenge completed with the stock, creepy, 5# trigger and all other components factory stock. :rolleyes: ;) The rifle plays a huge part, barrel quality is a considerable percentage of that, then ammo selection and tuning dials it in. Fact is, stringing together 5 groups under 1/2" is an impressive feat for the average .22 LR rifle, shooter notwithstanding. There is good reason the thread is entitled "My 22 shoots 1/2" all day", not "I can shoot 1/2" all day." Basic marksmanship skills enable a shooter to produce 1/2" "all day", extracting such performance out of a rimfire takes gunsmith knowledge and artistry. You've seen what I can produce with my CZ custom, during a "testing" session no less (not an intentional attempt at this challenge), yet I have other rifles that would be "lucky" to succeed this challenge.

You can think what you like about the shooter's role, but it cannot be denied that the rifle is primary. Simple logic proves it. Good rifle + good shooter = success, good rifle + poor shooter = possible success or failure. Bad rifle + good shooter = failure, bad rifle + bad shooter = definite failure. Nobody can succeed with a poor rifle, but only a poor shooter will fail with a good rifle, therefore the rifle is the most important factor. Yes, it is up to the shooter to live up to a rifle's potential, but I will place money down on the fact that the majority of shooters do not have their rifles tuned to their peak performance capabilities.

Very few shooters use tuners on their rifles, and the limited selection of ammo, and lots of ammo, here in Canada exacerbates the situation for those striving towards ultimate accuracy. As an anecdote, in my conversations with a member on RFC, he had to test 20 lots of RWS R-50 to find only 2 lots suitable to his rifle without a tuner. Know how many lots of RWS R-50 are available in Canada right now? 1, at Target Shooting Products (Unless Tesro has received some stock of a different lot recently). We don't have an easy road towards accuracy here in Canada, that's for sure.


Asmir here from Tesro.
It is not just an anecdote. I have personally visited RWS/Eley and Lapua testing facilities many times in order to test different lots of ammo for my rifle. That is simple nature of .22 ammunition. We cannot make it ourselves and we need to test different lots/velocities/brands constantly in order to find the best suited ammo for the rifle. I have walked empty handed sometimes too after testing many lots, because I could not find anything that was suitable or better than my current stock of ammo. That is just reality.
The point to take here is that we cannot assume that a good rifle will just shoot any ammo. Granted generally more expensive ammo will generally shoot better, but it is not guaranteed. I think there is a reasonable supply of ammo right now in Canada, compared to say 2 years ago when we had the SK shortage.
There are other threads on the forum about testing which would be useful for anyone that is new to the .22 precision game, at least to get a basic understanding of importance of ammo testing.
So when you hear about the guys buying up cases of ammo that their rifle likes, do not think they are fools. Matching ammo to the gun is both art and science, especially once you throw in various tuners and such.
I believe that 50 yards extrapolate linearly to 50 m, at least based on my testing, as long as there are no other factors like wind.
 
Finally Did It

Well, this has been a long time coming! Y'all remember this rifle? I had to jump through some import/export hoops to get the barrel back to Lilja, but when they finally got it they refinished the barrel, removing the damage caused by a lousy "gunsmith" in Southern Ontario, fixed up the crown, lapped out the tight spots in the bore, and set back the shoulder to my spec for headspace, all under warranty. Big thanks to Lilja for awesome customer service! :wave:

It was about 2C and kinda windy, blowing straight at me. I tested 8 different ammos and it was Lapua Polar Biathlon that got it done, with SK Biathlon showing some potential but not quite all under 1/2". All the other ammo shot like 3/4"-1", so this barrel is still obviously very picky and maybe doesn't like being free-floated, so I will test out shimming/bedding the barrel next.

Rifle: CZ 455 "Canadian" with Lilja Varmint barrel, Bentz chamber
Scope: Leupold VX-1 3-9x (no big deal with an appropriate target shape/design)
Rest: Caldwell Rock with Narrow front bag, and Caldwell rear bag
Ammo: Lapua Polar Biathlon
Groups: 0.431", 0.389", 0.331", 0.385", 0.354"
Avg: 0.378"







I told you guys I'd get this rifle to shoot, one way or another :p It may have taken me 2 years and 3 barrels, but I got it done ;) Ain't nuthin' that can't be fixed somehow, someway. I was 0.010" over on one group with my 455 Full Stock, so close to another success with a factory barreled CZ (for a change...:rolleyes:)! I think I'll be able to get that one on soon too. That factory barrel has been a work of love, needed some serious surgery to bring it back from the dead, but I think I've done it.
 
Sure the rifle plays a part. There is a reason there aren't many 10/22s on the list, and that ones that are seem to be heavily modified....

Mines heavily modified and I still failed. Haha. I’d like to get out and try again.

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Second attempt with success.

Required Pictures:

Groupings with measurements:

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Largest group measured:

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Rifle and rest (this was after the shoot zeroing gopher rounds, Eley Sport has better performance than chrono shows):

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Group data:
.39”
.28”
.43”
.48”
.34”

Avg:
.384”

Rifle Info:

Dlask 10/22
PWS carbon barrel
KIDD single stage trigger
Bushnell HDMR 3.5-21x scope and ADM Recon mount
Aftermarket chassis with MDT carbine stock.
 
It's been a long winter and today the ice left a large local lake I can see from my window. My club's range is down a road that's unplowed during the winter. Last week it was still very muddy and unpleasant for a car. Today, after five days without rain, the road was better. It was my first chance this calendar year to try some serious shooting. I took with me a rifle I recently got. It's a 1973-made Anschutz 1411. I had one two years ago, a 1968 model, which I bought from a friend, another CGNer, who missed it so much that I returned it to him. This 1411 inaugurates my 2018 shooting season.

The distance is 57 yards, the scope a Sightron SII 36X. I used Center X ammo on the first two targets, SK Standard Plus on the last.




L to R .357, .277, .290, .326, .277"
Average group size: .305"




L to R .273, .371, .390, .307, .373"
Average group size: .343"




L to R .304, .316, .426, .490, .260"
Average group size: .359"

The rifle


 
A very fine start to your shooting season, sir! I can't believe you didn't take your new 54.30 out for a spin first ;) I am most curious to see if it can out-shoot a CZ 455 :d



In all seriousness, glad to see you haven't lost your touch during your shooting hiatus, and the 1/4" club here is still calling for it's first successful candidate (with the required target parameters......). You, I, or Eagleye, who shall get there first?
 
A very fine start to your shooting season, sir! I can't believe you didn't take your new 54.30 out for a spin first ;) I am most curious to see if it can out-shoot a CZ 455 :d



In all seriousness, glad to see you haven't lost your touch during your shooting hiatus, and the 1/4" club here is still calling for it's first successful candidate (with the required target parameters......). You, I, or Eagleye, who shall get there first?

Thanks. The 54.30 is waiting until the forecast calls for a few consecutive days without rain. Today is rainy. I would like to be able to shoot it a few days in a row without interruption to give it my undivided attention. I hope to take it out early next week.
 
A very fine start to your shooting season, sir! I can't believe you didn't take your new 54.30 out for a spin first ;) I am most curious to see if it can out-shoot a CZ 455 :d



In all seriousness, glad to see you haven't lost your touch during your shooting hiatus, and the 1/4" club here is still calling for it's first successful candidate (with the required target parameters......). You, I, or Eagleye, who shall get there first?

that challenge has been witnessed! Im stoked to see who obtains the victory ! lol Good shooting Grau!

I wont be back in the game until fall at the earliest :(
 
Second attempt with success.

Required Pictures:

Groupings with measurements:

TPLwuQ6.jpg


Largest group measured:

xXUvBt1.jpg


Rifle and rest (this was after the shoot zeroing gopher rounds, Eley Sport has better performance than chrono shows):

AEbVo3W.jpg


Group data:
.39”
.28”
.43”
.48”
.34”

Avg:
.384”

Rifle Info:

Dlask 10/22
PWS carbon barrel
KIDD single stage trigger
Bushnell HDMR 3.5-21x scope and ADM Recon mount
Aftermarket chassis with MDT carbine stock.
Sorry Shibby! I missed your attempt from when you posted it. You are now added to the successful list.
 
I think I might make an attempt at the 1/4” challenge with my 52c this weekend.

Good luck, 1/4" is a Devil, and I'm dancing all around it. 1 or 2 lousy "fliers" in a set, and the target is borked. On the plus, Eley Tenex finally shot well for me, first time trying it in my CZ 455 Custom. It was a little chilly today and the wax was stiff, maybe it might do a little better when it's warmer.



I think I should buy more of this RWS R-50 stuff, though ;)



Thanks. The 54.30 is waiting until the forecast calls for a few consecutive days without rain. Today is rainy. I would like to be able to shoot it a few days in a row without interruption to give it my undivided attention. I hope to take it out early next week.

Sounds like a solid plan, it does take focus and dedication to get a rifle shooting it's best. I've spent months experimenting and tuning to get my CZ shooting as it is, but only getting one or two range days a month does tend to slow things down. I'm sure your 54.30 is going to be a pleasure to shoot, and I genuinely hope it exceeds your accuracy expectations. I am looking forward to your range reports with it. If you still have your Harrell's tuner and are considering fitting it to your 54.30 (which I highly recommend), PM me for contact info for the gunsmith that bored out the tuner for my CZ Custom, he does excellent work and the round-trip shipping will cost more than the actual labor. He also did the Lilja barrel re-fit to my Remington 597.
 
1/4" at 50 yards is possible, did it last June ammo testing a bunch of Center X lot #s for my 2500X. Before anyone starts complaining I know this target doesn't count here as there are more than 5 five shot groups. Bottom set of targets had one flier so didn't buy that one, middle set didn't pass however the top line was acceptable and I purchased 2 cases. Funny that the top and bottom rows averaged .155" for 5 five shot groups. Haven't shot since last October due to health reasons but hoping to get out soon to do an official 1/4" target.
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I took my Walther KK MS (silhouette rifle) out for the second time today.




Left to right: .340, .195, .390, .352, .467"
Average size: .349"
Ammunition: SK Rifle Match

The Walther KK MS and Sightron SII 36X scope

 
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