My 22 shoots horrible at 50 meters challenge/discussion

i have 3 cooey's and i'd gladly take your 2" group at 50... mine couldn't even come with'in a barns length of that !! they're stocks are nice after you refinish them ...other than that i can think of nothing else good to say at all about cooey

Underthegun said:
Discuss your inaccurate guns and inferior ammo in this thread. I'll start. I was out the other day with my Cooey and shot a 2" group with crap ammo.
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horseman2 said:
The search for the best ammo will continue for ever.
Seeing a box of Remington Target manufactured by Eley draws a question: Is it TEAM, MATCH, or TENEX?
Buying a used rifle that won't shoot could be any number of issues. RABID would suggest a bore scope so that is a starting point.
Does the use of copper washed bullets deposit copper. I cleaned one of my CZ's and did get some blue on the patch after an appropriate wait.
Following that scrub, I broke it in again using lead bullets and cleaning and then went back to MiniMags. It still does not like HP's and performs far better with MiniMags RN but the kicker was that it does better with CCI Blazers, a lead bullet. The Chrony suggests there is not sufficient difference in velocity that neither gophers nor pigeons can tell the difference.
That being said the CZ American may never make the Challenge but it will be bedded with pillars. The CCI MiniMags HP will be used in Speed Steel.
The CZ Varmint improved vastly with the bedding job but ELEY Match grades produced a best of 0.70 with TENEX. Switched to CenterX and produced a 0.26. At 100 yards, One group at 100 was 0.45.
Hope this helps if for no other reason that to suggest when to cut your losses and move on. Even buying a new rifle is no guarantee.
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At what round count would you say a 455 American would settle down (so far not as good as my 452)
 
silverfoxdj said:
Did you feel your 455 was generically poor or you just had a bad one?
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Definitely just got a bad one. I loved it until I shot it then did everything I could think of to help it come around but there was no saving that barrel. If I had a bore scope from the beginning I would have saved myself a lot of time. It is still a good looking rifle that feels good to handle and has a pretty decent trigger with the Yo-Dave kit.
 
RabidM4U5 said:
Definitely just got a bad one. I loved it until I shot it then did everything I could think of to help it come around but there was no saving that barrel. If I had a bore scope from the beginning I would have saved myself a lot of time. It is still a good looking rifle that feels good to handle and has a pretty decent trigger with the Yo-Dave kit.
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Okay thanks that was what I thought...did you get to send it back ??
 
silverfoxdj said:
Okay thanks that was what I thought...did you get to send it back ??
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No :( CZ says defects requiring the use of an optical device to see are not covered under warranty and Grech outdoors said "it shot a 1'' and a 3/4" group for us so it's fine." Another guy on RFC had 3, yes THREE, with burrs way worse than mine and CZ_USA only offered to push a reamer into them to clean them up. Their performance is still barely average. I ain't buying CZ again due to this terrible customer service.
 
dimeN said:
i have 3 cooey's and i'd gladly take your 2" group at 50... mine couldn't even come with'in a barns length of that !! they're stocks are nice after you refinish them ...other than that i can think of nothing else good to say at all about cooey
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You can't beat a Cooey for what they are, a economical hardware store gun that most boys started out with. Ive shot many birds, squirrels and pop cans when I was a kid with one. They don't shoot like the CZ's & Anshutzs but they provided many hours of fun for most of us.
 
savagecanuck said:
My turn as well .I bought this beautifull old Mossberg 146ba tube fed beauty.Sadly even with my Vortex HST 6-24x50 and my rather large supply of premium ammo I don't think the old girl is up to the challenge.
I did find its prefered ammo in SK rifle match,was not going to feed it Midas +
I did manage 2 groups under a 1/2" Best was a .357 and a .407 but not on the same target.
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Thats pretty good for that old gun, mine is the 151K and it shoots just as well as yours with a 1930's three power scope on it.
Weaver
 
RabidM4U5 said:
No :( CZ says defects requiring the use of an optical device to see are not covered under warranty and Grech outdoors said "it shot a 1'' and a 3/4" group for us so it's fine." Another guy on RFC had 3, yes THREE, with burrs way worse than mine and CZ_USA only offered to push a reamer into them to clean them up. Their performance is still barely average. I ain't buying CZ again due to this terrible customer service.
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That is indeed poor..
 
RabidM4U5 said:
No :( CZ says defects requiring the use of an optical device to see are not covered under warranty and Grech outdoors said "it shot a 1'' and a 3/4" group for us so it's fine." Another guy on RFC had 3, yes THREE, with burrs way worse than mine and CZ_USA only offered to push a reamer into them to clean them up. Their performance is still barely average. I ain't buying CZ again due to this terrible customer service.
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Further to your entry on Rimfire Central, the subscribers there believe it would be fixed if in the USA.
Did you ever try contacting CZ at their head(hind)quarters?
If the CZ barrels are hammer forged, how could such a flaw occur?
 
horseman2 said:
Further to your entry on Rimfire Central, the subscribers there believe it would be fixed if in the USA.
Did you ever try contacting CZ at their head(hind)quarters?
If the CZ barrels are hammer forged, how could such a flaw occur?
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Then there was a guy in the USA who had 3 rifles with leade burrs worse than mine, so despite it being thought that CZ-USA would take care of this issue they said that this bore condition was "normal and acceptable".

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=709441&highlight=hope+there+isn't+a+new+trend

Page 2 post #23 for CZ-USA's response to this guy.

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=706425&page=8

Page 8 post #114 for what CZ-USA actually did for him aka "not much".

So given CZ's official position that chambers such as ours are "not defective" I gave up pursuing it with them. I borrowed a reamer to try cleaning up my chamber but the pilot size was too large and it pushed up more burrs on the lands so now CZ definitely would never warranty the barrel and I sold it as a "practice" barrel for hobby smithing.

The rifling is hammer forged then the chamber cut with a reamer. It seems CZ pushes the reamers well past their acceptable service life so they are dull and just smear the metal instead of cutting and put out barrels with terrible burrs that will never shoot well but insists they're acceptable.
 
RabidM4U5 said:
Then there was a guy in the USA who had 3 rifles with leade burrs worse than mine, so despite it being thought that CZ-USA would take care of this issue they said that this bore condition was "normal and acceptable".

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=709441&highlight=hope+there+isn't+a+new+trend

Page 2 post #23 for CZ-USA's response to this guy.

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=706425&page=8

Page 8 post #114 for what CZ-USA actually did for him aka "not much".

So given CZ's official position that chambers such as ours are "not defective" I gave up pursuing it with them. I borrowed a reamer to try cleaning up my chamber but the pilot size was too large and it pushed up more burrs on the lands so now CZ definitely would never warranty the barrel and I sold it as a "practice" barrel for hobby smithing.

The rifling is hammer forged then the chamber cut with a reamer. It seems CZ pushes the reamers well past their acceptable service life so they are dull and just smear the metal instead of cutting and put out barrels with terrible burrs that will never shoot well but insists they're acceptable.
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Thank you for that, it has been re-crowned about 20 times now, lol. I think I'm going to try cutting down the other end next and see if I can copy it. Then maybe try threading the muzzle to 1/2-28.
 
elimsprint said:
Thank you for that, it has been re-crowned about 20 times now, lol. I think I'm going to try cutting down the other end next and see if I can copy it. Then maybe try threading the muzzle to 1/2-28.
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Took ya 20 tries to cut a good crown? lol good thing you're getting some practice before doing a usable barrel ;) Another thing to try on the chamber end is a cone breech setup which allows indexing/timing of the barrel and then it is glued in. Seems to be the way to go when building a 455 with a Shilen or other custom barrel that's not a "drop-in" like Lilja.

 
RabidM4U5 said:
Took ya 20 tries to cut a good crown? lol good thing you're getting some practice before doing a usable barrel ;) Another thing to try on the chamber end is a cone breech setup which allows indexing/timing of the barrel and then it is glued in. Seems to be the way to go when building a 455 with a Shilen or other custom barrel that's not a "drop-in" like Lilja.

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I think the first one was fine, I just did a bunch of different types, 11deg, recessed, seeing what the moves were for each. I've never had any formal training in machining, it's all new to me. I will find more info on the cone breach, thanks for the tip.
 
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elimsprint said:
I think the first one was fine, I just did a bunch of different types, 11deg, recessed, seeing what the moves were for each. I've never had any formal training in machining, it's all new to me. I will find more info on the cone breach, thanks for the tip.
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Ahh just playin brah, s'all good! If I had a lathe I'd be messin about with it just the same. Sometimes if you want it done right ya gotta do it yourself! ;) I strongly maintain this philosophy in all aspects of my life as good help is oh so hard to find. Nobody cares as much about your things as you do.

Well time to post the results of what shall now be referred to as "The Abomination". No wonder I wasn't shown any recent target samples, nothing good to tell me!



A very heartbreaking day. Many a factory CZ shoot circles around this ragged, beaten, shell of a rifle.
 
Rabid after all your bad luck I think you need to treat your self to a new anschutz MPR. I had mine out for its first range day and its an awesome rifle, no issues just good fun and no frustration.
 
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