My Glocks are officially paper weights....

caramel said:
My LB 1911 and my S&W 627 are great shooters, i will continue to buy and try all the makes possible, out of one dozen handguns, only Glocks i am unable to shoot good, it will make more at the dealers for you guys, i wont be buying anymore but, i still need a SIG, a Nighthawk, and many more i have to try, maybe i will encounter more that i am unable to shoot accurately... That's life... JP.
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Well, keep looking around. If you can't shoot glocks, there's plenty of other guns you can't shoot either.

I mean I don't think there's any need to own guns you don't like, but selling glocks because you can't shoot them instead of learning to be a half-decent shooter is just one of those classic "you don't know what you don't know" things that always cracks me up.

I have two glocks that are very nearly as accurate as my Baer, incidentally. If you know how to shoot they can be fired quite precisely. Baer builds a pretty nice 1911, of course, and they're a good way to get in to the semi-custom 1911 game for relatively cheap, and fast. They're not the be-all end-all, but in terms of bang for the buck they're pretty good. Eventually you can step up to one of the top guys if you like, and the resale on Baers is good in this country because of the name recognition.

But I have a G17 that will print around 2.5" at 25m. My Baer will barely do better. It's just easier to do with a 1911, particularly for novice shooters, on account of the forgiving trigger.


On the other hand, not everybody wants to develop enough skill as a shooter to run any better than the basics, and that's fine too. But if you can't shoot glocks, you can't shoot. Don't blame the glocks...they're neither inaccurate, nor difficult.

Try running a 5946 with a 12 pound trigger at speed...that's a fairly accurate gun, too. If you can't shoot a glock well, a 5946 will make you curl up in a little ball and cry.
 
misanthropist said:
Try running a 5946 with a 12 pound trigger at speed...that's a fairly accurate gun, too. If you can't shoot a glock well, a 5946 will make you curl up in a little ball and cry.
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I laughed at this a little. So true.

I was on a course with a lady who had to shoot a 5946. She did pretty well with that gun, which I had some admiration for, given what she had to work with.

At the end of the course the instructor had us all try to shoot a bullet hole that he placed in each of our targets as we went down the line. The objective was to shoot as small a group on that hole as we could. It was an interesting drill as we all shot it one at a time, and with all the pressure involved with 10 shooters breathing down your neck. Anyway, she did pretty well with her 5946 but was visibly not happy with her results. After we all had our turn, she said "I want to try again" - and pointing at me - "with your gun". At that course I was shooting a G17, with a NY1 Trigger spring and a 3.5# connector.

So the instructor steps up to the target and drills a hole right in the center. She stepped up with my G17 and drilled one right through the same hole, and then proceeded to empty the mag into a group that could be covered by a quarter.

The Glock trigger is easy to shoot well, if you know what you are doing.
 
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caramel said:
My LB 1911 and my S&W 627 are great shooters, i will continue to buy and try all the makes possible, out of one dozen handguns, only Glocks i am unable to shoot good, it will make more at the dealers for you guys, i wont be buying anymore but, i still need a SIG, a Nighthawk, and many more i have to try, maybe i will encounter more that i am unable to shoot accurately... That's life... JP.
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don't bother with the following bunch of jealous ratass who post idiotic remarks on your threads JP. for one, i find very interesting your turn of the ''world'''.

only a few have as much experience with different rifles and handguns , you can afford them, that's great , you share your impressions with the community which is priceless...can't be said about the ones who shows their envious nature in a bad and infantile way. they should go away and stop posting stupid replies, but it's symptomatic of being envious and jealous, and there's no cure for that illness lolll.

anyhow, i think you prefer working with soft triggers who have little to none pre-travel, you're probably more a SA shooter. but you should refrain from saying glock are less accurate than this, or that gun, not true. in fact, glocks are as accurate as any ''accurate guns'''' , glocks just need to be worked out in a glock way, they are light guns with very different triggers than single action pistols , that's all.
 
sigtactical said:
don't bother with the following bunch of jealous ratass who post idiotic remarks on your threads JP. for one, i find very interesting your turn of the ''world'''.

only a few have as much experience with different rifles and handguns , you can afford them, that's great , you share your impressions with the community which is priceless...can't be said about the ones who shows their envious nature in a bad and infantile way. they should go away and stop posting stupid replies, but it's symptomatic of being envious and jealous, and there's no cure for that illness lolll.

anyhow, i think you prefer working with soft triggers who have little to none pre-travel, you're probably more a SA shooter. but you should refrain from saying glock are less accurate than this, or that gun, not true. in fact, glocks are as accurate as any ''accurate guns'''' , glocks just need to be worked out in a glock way, they are light guns with very different triggers than single action pistols , that's all.
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Is that sarcasm?

I couldn't possibly count the number of people I know with a wider range of guns they have shot...professionally.

If I included the number of people I know who've goofed around casually with some guns...jesus.


Caramel rubs some people the wrong way because he thinks the moderate amount of wealth he's accumulated makes him qualified to comment on a wide range of topics. But buying a gun, or several guns, doesn't make you a shooter any more than buying a Les Paul makes you a guitarist. I'm not aware of a trend of upper middle class guys that can't play guitar getting into guitar collecting, but it's kind of the backbone of the civilian firearms business.

Tons of guys buy a $500 or $1000 or $2000 pistol and shoot it for an hour or so every month or two, without any particular direction or training.

Imagine, say, a dentist who buys a Les Paul Traditional because that's the guitar he thinks is "the guitar to have". And he takes it out for an hour or so every month or two and kind of noodles around without training or direction, plucking the strings and making a bit of sound.

Is that a guy whose opinions on guitars you should be listening to? Is that someone who should feel like it's their place to offer opinions on what guitars are good or bad?

That's basically what most gun owners are. It's exactly what caramel is.

It happens to be that CGN has so few seriously experienced shooters that he doesn't stand out here as especially ignorant, but for a small number of people here - the equivalent of the professional guitarists, or the skilled amateurs who practise an hour a day and play in bands on the weekend - he's a bit of a Dunning-Kruger poster boy.
 
misanthropist said:
Is that sarcasm?

But buying a gun, or several guns, doesn't make you a shooter any more than buying a Les Paul makes you a guitarist. I'm not aware of a trend of upper middle class guys that can't play guitar getting into guitar collecting, but it's kind of the backbone of the civilian firearms business.

Tons of guys buy a $500 or $1000 or $2000 pistol and shoot it for an hour or so every month or two, without any particular direction or training.

Imagine, say, a dentist who buys a Les Paul Traditional because that's the guitar he thinks is "the guitar to have". And he takes it out for an hour or so every month or two and kind of noodles around without training or direction, plucking the strings and making a bit of sound.

Is that a guy whose opinions on guitars you should be listening to? Is that someone who should feel like it's their place to offer opinions on what guitars are good or bad?

That's basically what most gun owners are. It's exactly what caramel is..
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I resemble that remark! There are actually a ton of people, myself included, who buy very nice guitars and can't play very well. I am learning however, and taking lessons, but there was no way in hell I needed a Les Paul Custom. But there it is, on my wall, beside a Chet Atkins and a Fender Strat. ;)

I digress, but you are right, same same. I know lots of guys with tons of guns and that do not shoot much. I like my Nighthawk and Kimbers, but I shoot all my guns when I get a chance, including my Glock 21. CGN is CGN. Always will be.
 
If you don't like the Glock...why keep shooting it if there IS something you like better? Most people agree it IS a "good" gun...but grip can be too big for some and the grip angle is funky, looks, stock sights, even how LIGHT it is is an issue for some!!! Why keep something worth $600-$700 if your not enjoying it?!
 
TDC said:
I run them stock with the exception of xs big dot sights and an aftermarket guide rod which makes spring changes easier and cheaper. As a side note I do run 20lbs recoil springs.

Tdc
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So you run them "stock" ...but with 3 changed out parts!!!

My HK is stock too...

Expect the sights, the added trigger job, barrel treatment (inside and out), ambi-safety. Can I still compete in the production division??!?! (only one more add on to my "stock" gun then yours!)
 
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misanthropist said:
Try running a 5946 with a 12 pound trigger at speed...that's a fairly accurate gun, too. If you can't shoot a glock well, a 5946 will make you curl up in a little ball and cry.
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Perhaps Caramel all you require is sufficient practice/patience with a 5946 firearm to alleviate your Glock(s) of their paperweight status they now hold and elevate them to the competent shooters we all know they are. Well that is if you can get past the 'curled up in a ball and crying' phase of the process.;)
 
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rl4930 said:
I will give him respect for selling his used guns here on the EE for a fair price.
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Thats all it takes to earn your respect? him selling his guns? Id say it would earn respect if he donated the funds to one of the cssa,nfa or the boys and girls club. No just dropping his price a couple bucks from other people to make a sale, just my opinion.
 
misanthropist said:
It happens to be that CGN has so few seriously experienced shooters that he doesn't stand out here as especially ignorant, but for a small number of people here - the equivalent of the professional guitarists, or the skilled amateurs who practise an hour a day and play in bands on the weekend - he's a bit of a Dunning-Kruger poster boy.
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Some people are guitarists and some should just stick to Guitar Hero.

Honestly, I wish I had Caramels shooting budget. I would buy half the guns, 10 times the ammo and plenty of training.
 
HK45auto said:
So you run them "stock" ...but with 3 changed out parts!!!

My HK is stock too...

Expect the sights, the added trigger job, barrel treatment (inside and out), ambi-safety. Can I still compete in the production division??!?! (only one more add on to my "stock" gun then yours!)
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Well sights have zero to do with the function of the pistol so they don't count for SH!t and same goes for the rod, it does nothing a stock one doesn't. And I can't really run the stock recoil soring guide rod when its a captive unit now can I?? I've ran glocks bone stock without issue just like I've run my glocks with the heavier spring
without issue, to the tune of around 30000 rounds now.

On a side note, I don't care about the stupid divisions and gimmicky garbage that is ipsc. Its not practical, its a shooting event drowning in bs rules and whiners.


Tdc
 
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