My Glocks are officially paper weights....

There are major differences between pistol, yesterday was the first outing of my HK45CT and this what right on the papers at 25 yards, the trigger was nowere near to the Glock one ( a lot more predictible)...
It an easy shooting pistol and 3-4 inch groups, dead center were achieved of the bat, the night sights are very easy to pick up and recoil is more like a straight plull back instead the snappy Glock kick, the joy of shooting is to hit accurately were you aim, i had great joy yesterday... JP.
 
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60 plus pages of rules, really?
There shouldn't be any divisions, its a defensive shoot, as in run what you brung.

Changing sights moves you to a different division? Sights are sights, if you can't align 3 dots, you can't align straight 8's, Big dots, Trijicon HD's etc etc. It's a personal choice.
A defensive shoot doesn't afford you a walk through, neither should a shooting discipline designed to replicate it.
Advancing on targets is not defensive.
Penalties for dropping ammo, why? It only costs the competitor time to retrieve it.
No weapon mounted lights, why?
Two guys I know shot a match and were dq'd for "round dumping". Apparently engaging a target repeatedly to ensure you have sufficient hits to avoid penalty is a bad thing. I understand the premise behind why it may be deemed as "unsportsmanlike" but it is a game after all, and any advantage one can get the better. Round dumping would be eliminated if there weren't walk throughs which facilitate the "gaming" of a stage, just saying.

Lets not forget, this is a discipline designed around the defensive use of firearms, so why are we handicapping people from performing to their best by limiting gear and penalizing inconsequential actions? I say stack the deck and let the chips fall. If a competitor wants to dump a whole magazine into a target that's fine, when he fails to neutralize the next 4 or 5 targets due to ammo depletion then maybe he will learn to conserve ammo.

Just some points that rub me the wrong way. Its a game more than a discipline designed to aid those can carry or those who may need to use a firearm defensively.

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This makes a whole lot of sense to me. IDPA/IPSC should be the place where you find your own/your gears weaknesses. Forcing you into different divisions takes that distillation away and covers those weaknesses. It's not like there are divisions in the real world, which these games are supposed to replicate.
 
canoetrpr said:
To some extent, this thread is kind of amusing... and then sad. I read it in reverse and expected that when I got to JPs original post I would find that he had said something truly heretical like "all kittens are evil and must be clubbed to death with a Glock".

Turns out that the man was just sharing his personal opinion and preference. Man, this Glock thing seems like a religion. Seems to really irritate people enough to start making personal attacks on the guys wealth and supposed lack of shooting skills because for whatever reason he does not shoot the Glock accurately or like it.

It takes this amusing turn with people commenting on his wealth and ability to purchase guns just to try them and not giving his money away to this or that organization.

Really ? Since when is spending your money on whatever the heck you think is appropriate and giving or not giving your money to whomever you want a crime? I really don't read whatever emotions you guys seem to read into JPs posts. I don't find that the guy is gloating about his wealth or belittling anyone for not having his wealth. He's just sharing his opinion. Now maybe I'm just lacking in social cues but is it possible that you guys who get irritated by his posts are reading more into it than there is? Just a thought.

All of this said and done, I think I must plan to get a Glock next to see what the cult is all about ;-)
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The Glock guys are kind of like the KLR motorcycle guys. They buy the cheapest motorcycle going and than brag it up like it is the greatest bike on earth. Posers is a good description. Anyone who dares have an opposing opinion is run into the dirt like Pane Stewarts pilot.

I think people need to back off Carmel or JP. Too many of these internet heroes live at home with their moms, in the basement.

Regards to getting that Glock, I did that, I had to spend about the price of the Glock on proper bbls. and the gun still kicks like a mule. Save your money and be happy. Glock does not equal perfection. It was a game changing gun years ago, it has not changed and other vendors have caught up and surpassed it by a large margin.

As far as personal attacks there are a few on here that are very good at personal attacks. There needs to be a delete option where you can avoid all their posts.
 
rustynut1 said:
The Glock guys are kind of like the KLR motorcycle guys. They buy the cheapest motorcycle going and than brag it up like it is the greatest bike on earth. Posers is a good description. Anyone who dares have an opposing opinion is run into the dirt like Pane Stewarts pilot.

I think people need to back off Carmel or JP. Too many of these internet heroes live at home with their moms, in the basement.

Regards to getting that Glock, I did that, I had to spend about the price of the Glock on proper bbls. and the gun still kicks like a mule. Save your money and be happy. Glock does not equal perfection. It was a game changing gun years ago, it has not changed and other vendors have caught up and surpassed it by a large margin.

As far as personal attacks there are a few on here that are very good at personal attacks. There needs to be a delete option where you can avoid all their posts.
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At the risk of being accused of baiting. Please explain how other manufacturers have caught up to Glock? As for their MARKETING SLOGAN its just that. Anyone with any sense of intelligence understands that marketing is simply marketing. Not sure what you mean by "proper barrels"? Cold hammer forged polygonal rifling is about as good as it gets. As for changing over the years, Glock has made small changes but there's no reason to change anything drastically. Have you noticed that all other manufacturers offer Glock lookalike/wannabe guns? Last but not least, recoil? There is nothing remotely close to significant recoil with a Glock. A proper grip and the naturally low bore axis keeps the muzzle low and on target without issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbC5mEc6ipE


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TDC said:
At the risk of being accused of baiting. Please explain how other manufacturers have caught up to Glock? As for their MARKETING SLOGAN its just that. Anyone with any sense of intelligence understands that marketing is simply marketing. Not sure what you mean by "proper barrels"? Cold hammer forged polygonal rifling is about as good as it gets. As for changing over the years, Glock has made small changes but there's no reason to change anything drastically. Have you noticed that all other manufacturers offer Glock lookalike/wannabe guns? Last but not least, recoil? There is nothing remotely close to significant recoil with a Glock. A proper grip and the naturally low bore axis keeps the muzzle low and on target without issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbC5mEc6ipE



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wow for the vid!!
 
TDC said:
At the risk of being accused of baiting. Please explain how other manufacturers have caught up to Glock? As for their MARKETING SLOGAN its just that. Anyone with any sense of intelligence understands that marketing is simply marketing. Not sure what you mean by "proper barrels"? Cold hammer forged polygonal rifling is about as good as it gets. As for changing over the years, Glock has made small changes but there's no reason to change anything drastically. Have you noticed that all other manufacturers offer Glock lookalike/wannabe guns? Last but not least, recoil? There is nothing remotely close to significant recoil with a Glock. A proper grip and the naturally low bore axis keeps the muzzle low and on target without issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbC5mEc6ipE


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If there was such a thing as delete all or avoid all posts by a user you sir would be at the top of my list.
 
Wow, so much testosterone. Lol. Time to inject a little estrogen fueled opinion into the thread.

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First target with my SAM Thunderbolt .45 1911.

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No grip tape, smooth aluminum grips. We are only allowed to load 5 per mag, so mag restrictions are a moot point to me. The first mag saw the 2 in the corner, and 3 flyers. Then I got my bearings, and that produced my 2" group at 20 yards. I didn't need an expensive gun, just a good gun. That, plus I don't suck too bad at this. And before the inevitable SAM comments start, before you start to type, ask yourself, could your gun do that right out of the box, on the second mag through it, and do you even own, or ever shot a SAM, because if the answer is no, then you are not really qualified to judge them. I have never owned a Glock, so I can't comment to that. Only point to my post, is that you do not have to spend scads of money to have a good gun. And having a gun that costs scads of money does not turn a merely mediocre shooter into a stellar shooter.
 
Nice one. I can't shoot worth a darn at 20.

I like the feedback from the Glock trigger. If its a single action, if its not light and crisp I don't do as well.

And I'm not a plastic fantastic guy, but I bought a Glock after shooting one.
 
caramel said:
There are major differences between pistol, yesterday was the first outing of my HK45CT and this what right on the papers at 25 yards, the trigger was nowere near to the Glock one ( a lot more predictible)...
It an easy shooting pistol and 3-4 inch groups, dead center were achieved of the bat, the night sights are very easy to pick up and recoil is more like a straight plull back instead the snappy Glock kick, the joy of shooting is to hit accurately were you aim, i had great joy yesterday... JP.
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.... mmm if you think Glocks have a snappy kick and aren't accurate the problem is with you, not the Glock. Glocks may not have the best triggers but they are far from unpredictable as you claim.
 
cadgo said:
.... mmm if you think Glocks have a snappy kick and aren't accurate the problem is with you, not the Glock. Glocks may not have the best triggers but they are far from unpredictable as you claim.
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I will agree with you that Glocks have super-predictable triggers, but they do have, to me at least, a "snappiness" to their recoil due to their light weight. I've shot Glocks so much I'm used to it (and like it) now, but the first time I fired one...holy crap, it's 24 years ago now...I really noticed the feel of the recoil compared to the all-steel CZ75 I had at the time.
 
I put hockey tape on mine. Just the right amount of grip and a really good feel.
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Comparing a PPQ in my hand to a Glock is like comparing a well worn tight fitting leather glove to an oven mitt.
:)

The Glock needs griptape added for my hand or it feels like a wet bar of soap and squirms in my hand..... I guess if I tried harder or was a better shooter maybe I wouldn't need the grip tape?
It does seem like a popular modification and even good shooters seem to prefer their glocks with extra grip of some sort.

JP, did you try adding some griptape? Learning to shoot a glock (if your not a natural glock shooter) will improve your skills similar to learning to shoot double action.
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Anyway before pushing my 3 Glocks at the rear of the safe, i will give it a last chance, i got coming 3 set of springs and connectors for my 17/21/22 and a friend at the range will perform the change on them...
After that i will try to see if i like them better...
If i do like them better, it will be the end of the story, if not.... JP.
 
I find you either really like glocks or really do not like glocks. It's a matter or preference and neither is wrong.

However someone who simply doesn't like a glock should not be considered a substandard shooter as has often been implied in many a thread on CGN. I don't think anyone has liked every gun they tried, if nothing more than just not liking the feel and nothing to do with marksmanship skills.

On the other hand, shooting a glock doesn't make you an "operator" either. I have seen plenty of glock owners that are far from being great shooters. That's not to say they won't get there with practice...just like non-glock shooters.
 
Boomer686 said:
I find you either really like glocks or really do not like glocks. It's a matter or preference and neither is wrong.

However someone who simply doesn't like a glock should not be considered a substandard shooter as has often been implied in many a thread on CGN. I don't think anyone has liked every gun they tried, if nothing more than just not liking the feel and nothing to do with marksmanship skills.

On the other hand, shooting a glock doesn't make you an "operator" either. I have seen plenty of glock owners that are far from being great shooters. That's not to say they won't get there with practice...just like non-glock shooters.
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Agreed, but maybe said person should have "tried" before buying three of them.
 
Boomer686 said:
I find you either really like glocks or really do not like glocks. It's a matter or preference and neither is wrong.

However someone who simply doesn't like a glock should not be considered a substandard shooter as has often been implied in many a thread on CGN. I don't think anyone has liked every gun they tried, if nothing more than just not liking the feel and nothing to do with marksmanship skills.

On the other hand, shooting a glock doesn't make you an "operator" either. I have seen plenty of glock owners that are far from being great shooters. That's not to say they won't get there with practice...just like non-glock shooters.
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I don't blame anyone for not liking glocks. They're not my idea of ### in gun format either.

But when people blame glocks for their inability to shoot, that's a little different. If you can shoot well, glocks are easy. If you can't shoot glocks, that's user error.
 
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