My "realistic" but unrealistic christmas wish...

severus said:
This and much more FAL unobtanium can be found at

http://www.dsarms.com
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Yeah, there is lots of mouth-watering stuff on the DS Arms site. Tough to choose just one.

As an aside, if someone is grandfathered to own prohibs like the AK, FAL, etc., can one import one from the US, or is it pretty much impossible due to export regs, hoops and red tape? Just curious.
 
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This really burns my ass, we can own a non restricted semi auto m14 clone but can't own a semi auto FAL clone. It never made sense to me that they prohibited these rifles that were converted to semi auto only. We bend over backwards to obey rules they impose on us and then prohibit us from using and or owning them. I think there is something here for fighting this as the Norc M14's and Springfield M1A's are non restricted; but it probably will never happen.
 
As soon as I win the lottery, I'll buy the best firearms lawyer that money can buy.

I'd give my left nut for an semi-auto FAL.
 
J996 said:
Well said, and that is exactly my point. The real FN FAL is on that prohib list yet the semi auto FAL from DSA (not real FAL) is not considered different. Why is that? It makes no sense!!
DSA's receiver is semi only as ruled by the BATF and US made so WTF:confused:.
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I don't understand why you don't understand. It is so frakin' simple as to make popcorn look complicated.

The Canadian Criminal Code says the FAL is prohibited, period. It doesn't matter if it is full auto, semi auto or falling block single shot, the entire system is prohibited. YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE.

The M14 is not on that list (because it didn't come standard with a pistol grip, which was their biggest criteria for determining an "assault rifle"). Therefore, you can have a M14.

The fact that you CAN have an M14 does not supercede additional laws that say you cannot own a full auto or a converted auto.

What's not to understand?
 
Benito said:
As an aside, if someone is grandfathered to own prohibs like the AK, FAL, etc., can one import one from the US, or is it pretty much impossible due to export regs, hoops and red tape? Just curious.
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Sadly no, even if you are grandfathered, and even if you can overcome the US export issues you still cannot import a prohib. It must already have been in the country and registered when the prohibitions came in.

The only exception is for military/LE, and once imported for that purpose, they would not ever be surplused into the Canadian civvy market.
 
BattleRife said:
I don't understand why you don't understand. It is so frakin' simple as to make popcorn look complicated.

The Canadian Criminal Code says the FAL is prohibited, period. It doesn't matter if it is full auto, semi auto or falling block single shot, the entire system is prohibited. YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE.

The M14 is not on that list (because it didn't come standard with a pistol grip, which was their biggest criteria for determining an "assault rifle"). Therefore, you can have a M14.

The fact that you CAN have an M14 does not supercede additional laws that say you cannot own a full auto or a converted auto.

What's not to understand?
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So im just supposed to accept the flawed system and be quiet eh?
Back when the FAL went on the prohib list it did not have a civi counterpart like the M14 did in the M1A. FAL went prohib. Real M14 went prohib (they are both prohib pistol grip or not). M1A stayed. It was only a few years ago that DSA came out with a civi version of the FAL and now that such a thing exists there should be an amendment made to the CCC regarding the DSA SA58 semi. But I also realize the govt does not give a crap and we will never get this new semi examined and properly classified and the FAL design will remain banned for all eternity. Lame!!!

You are correct that the real M14 is not on that list, however:

Definition of a Prohibited Firearm
The Criminal Code states that a prohibited firearm is:

a handgun with a barrel length of 105 mm (4.1 inches) or less;
a handgun designed or adapted to discharge 25 or 32 calibre ammunition;
a rifle or shotgun that has been altered to make it less than 660 mm (26 inches) in overall length;
a rifle or shotgun that has been altered to make the barrel length less than 457 mm (18 inches) where the overall firearm length is 660 mm (26 inches) or more;
an automatic firearm and a converted automatic firearm;
any firearm prescribed as prohibited.

They could not ban the M14 design because of the M1A, the FAL had no such luck, pistol grips as criteria? The BM59 is on that same list along with the FAL. I think we can all agree that the legislation in question is out to lunch!!
There is no good reason why we cant have a civi semi FAL based rifle!!!!
 
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J996, I think the problem is partly in the name and partly in the testing. The FAL was prohibited BY DESIGN. As in anything sharing the same operating system is prohibited. The USGI M14 itself was not prohibited by it's design, only by it's characteristics as either a full or converted auto. When the M14s/M305 showed up it didn't have those characteristics and was a non-restricted. To make an FAL legal it has to have the operating system changed so that it is NOT the same as any previous FAL (and to help should have a different name).
 
Thanks Canadiangunuser, that sheds some light onto the matter but the system is still a giant mess.

In case there was any doubt my Christmas wish is a DSA SA58 medium contour rifle;)
 
J996 said:
Back when the FAL went on the prohib list it did not have a civi counterpart like the M14 did in the M1A.
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Actually, there have been a number of FAL variants made specifically for the civilian market, starting with the 'G' series FALs imported by Browning in the early 1960s.

Certainly you're right in that there is no good reason why we can't own FALs (or any other firearm), but the fact of the matter is that any FAL variant is specifically named as prohibited, while M14s are not on the list if there is no feature (such as select fire or being converted automatic) making them prohibited.
 
MatthewMarchand said:
So who wants to get the lawyer to fight for this on the grounds that the M14 and Swiss arms rifles are legal? ;)
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With the trend towards eroding freedoms and rights, that would probably result in the M14 and Swiss Arms being deemed illegal, rather than anything else being OK'd.
 
Back when I was in the reserves, over 20 years ago I heard that the reason the FN's were restricted, which they were back then, was the Canadian government didn't want the public armed with the same guns as the military. Like I said it was something I heard not an official publication.
 
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