Sunchild2071
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Checked last night, my bolt doesn't drop, as seen in the video.
NEA BCL warranty
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The expansion chamber on an AR-15/AR-10 ect is between the back of the carrier bolt hole and the back side of those gas rings. The gas presses on those and the carrier and since the bolt can't go forward the carrier is pushed back to turn and unlock the bolt. The rings help retain some of the gas pressure to help make you gun work properly. Similar to the rings on a piston in your engine. Leaky or worn rings means loss of gas pressure. Thus resulting in lack of performance and reliability.
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Let me get this straight..... here you as much as admit that you have no clue how an AR functions. Yet in the thread concerning BCL 102 reliability you have the temerity to mock the reasoned observations and suggestions of those who clearly have more experience and knowlege than yourself as nothing but "drama, drama". Your own AR credibility is clearly lacking, yet you refute any suggestion that the 102 may not be completely ready for primetime despite the various ammo sensitivity, reliability and fit/finish issues that have been reported by various owners to date.
It is as though you are now desperate to " wish away" any and all problems after having giddily salivated all over every BCL thread while you breathlessly awaited the arrival of your wonderous new rifle. Just because your rifle and others function fine ( as they all ought to) doesn't mean that others from the same relatively small batch of first-run rifles don't suffer from QC issues, faulty gas rings or proprietary BCG tolerances resulting in undergassing, tight chambers, or any other host of as yet undetermined conditions. it is awfully silly (and revealing) of you to insist that all is well with the rebranded BCL rifles when it clearly is not.
Nobody is suggesting (yet) that you bought a "POS", so you really ought to relax and listen for a bit. That said, there is something clearly amiss for there to be such a relatively high incidence of "teething problems" and inconsistency among the first batch of rifles. Rushed to market? Perhaps. Poor QC? Maybe. Unforeseen interaction of proprietary and non-p parts? Who knows? I'm sure that it will all be sorted out in due course, as BCL has a solid warranty for initial owners. What is not helpful at this point is an AR newb acting as an unpaid shill for BCL and claiming the sky is blue when it isn't.
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On a side note, one of the Norinco importers should send off a 102 to Norc and have it cloned. Sell the Norc 102 for $999.95 and likely end up with better quality...
I don't think it works that way, If BCL patented the 102 as a new rifle then Norinco can not clone it until the patent expires.
If they did clone it then I wouldn't pay more than $700 for it since Norinco has worse QC than BCL and Norinco has no warranty at all other than what the retailer or importer is willing to provide.
In just about every thread I have stated that I know little about DI systems and am still learning. You dont need to know precisely how your rifle works for it to be reliable.... I personally see a disconnect between the bolt falling free when inverted yet my rifle still shoots like a champ. Why is that other people are having problems and diagnosing it with this issue when I have the same symptom but no sickness? I have observed that there have only been a couple people with true problems, and then all of a sudden people blow it out of proportion on the forums, its a common occurrence here.The same thing was done with the XCR series of rifles a few years ago. There is a huge disconnect between forum gossip and real life experience IMO. This is why I tend to defend the rifle against people who have not even seen one in person yet.
I feel for SSG9 becuase he was just as excited as me to get his and now it is having problems, and so were others. I have noticed that people initially report stoppages and then report back that after a couple hundred rounds that the problems are going away. This indicates to me that there is a short break in period with these rifles, although I am certain a couple of rifles have manufacturing defects. Its just teething of a new design going into rushed production. It sucks, but it is what it is.
I do find it interesting that gas from the gas key goes into the bcg, as I always had thought the gas simply pushed on the gas key itself to propel the bolt carrier rearwards.
Anyways i am not on these forums to measure my lower extremities against others. i am willing to admit my faults unlike many on here.
The link is useless for the user manual. The link provided I just get the message "Can't Reach This Page". Same for the Cleaning and Care. And no manual for the BCL 102 just the NEA15
Yup, my thoughts exactly. But this is what they sent me.
Driller, nobody is looking to measure ####-size over who is right or wrong. I've been wrong on here before and apologized when I realized it. No big deal for the average ego.
Good on you for admitting your relative unfamiliarity witth the DI system. We are all at different stages of knowledge and experience on this board and therefore stand to learn from others. Was I offended when you "pooh, pooh"ed my other post? No, I have a thicker skin than that. It is however, rritating to post from.a position of reasonable experience only to have your well-intended suggestions belittled for no good reason. Tends to stifle the free exchange of information....
Congratulations on your new rifle. By all means enjoy it and post your experiences on here to share with others. But please don't try to tell us black is white when that is simply not the case. To do so simply attacks your own credibility.
I have no doubt that BCL and/or the larger AR community will eventually get to the bottom of the teething issues plaguing some of the initial BCL 102 production. Jerry @ Mystic Precision has already shed some very useful light on the possibility that match-tight chambers are responsible for the unreliable functioning with certain types of .308 or 7.62x51mm ammo. Other insights and discoveries will no doubt follow. until then, I suggest that we keep an open mind as to the possibilities behind the issues and invite discussion rather than stifle discourse just because someone isn't saying what we want to hear.
Sorry for going off-topic. Does anyone else find the change from a "forever" warranty to "first owner only" to be a concern? If nothing else, it could compromise resale attractiveness and related value. I wonder what BCL's motivation was for the change as well as the limited registration window?
Good on you for admitting your relative unfamiliarity witth the DI system. We are all at different stages of knowledge and experience on this board and therefore stand to learn from others. Was I offended when you "pooh, pooh"ed my other post? No, I have a thicker skin than that. It is however, rritating to post from.a position of reasonable experience only to have your well-intended suggestions belittled for no good reason. Tends to stifle the free exchange of information....
Congratulations on your new rifle. By all means enjoy it and post your experiences on here to share with others. But please don't try to tell us black is white when that is simply not the case. To do so simply attacks your own credibility.
I have no doubt that BCL and/or the larger AR community will eventually get to the bottom of the teething issues plaguing some of the initial BCL 102 production. Jerry @ Mystic Precision has already shed some very useful light on the possibility that match-tight chambers are responsible for the unreliable functioning with certain types of .308 or 7.62x51mm ammo. Other insights and discoveries will no doubt follow. until then, I suggest that we keep an open mind as to the possibilities behind the issues and invite discussion rather than stifle discourse just because someone isn't saying what we want to hear.
Sorry for going off-topic. Does anyone else find the change from a "forever" warranty to "first owner only" to be a concern? If nothing else, it could compromise resale attractiveness and related value. I wonder what BCL's motivation was for the change as well as the limited registration window?
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Sunchild2071
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I don't mind the "first owner" warranty. Don't give a damn about resale value, as that is not why I bought it. And if I buy another, I'll likely go to the same source, rather than scour the EE for "BNIB, never fired......" to get someone out of their buyers remorse for a $50 savings.
As much as I have browsed EE for the time I've been here, many rifles I can buy new for ever so slightly more. Rare to see an actual bargain. I'll buy new and get the warranty, thank-you. And I generally assume that in most purchases in life, really, warranty is generally non-transferable. So I don't see much of an issue, personally.
And, I am lucky, as so far, I am generally trouble free, with my rifle. One mag related issue - resolved. Shooting fine since then. A few dissassembly inspections at this time leave me no cause for concern. What will the continuing future bring? I don't know, but I registered for the warranty. So far, SFRC has directly taken care of any issues I did have, without hesitation. I lost absolutely zero intended trigger time.
Never gave a crap about AR-15s (5.56/.223 for that matter), so this is also my first foray into the style/platform. Pretty donkey simple to figure out, with a general knowledge of mechanical principles, and a few checks around these threads.
The rain has stopped, here. So when the bush dries up a bit, I expect to go and enjoy my rifle some more. Hoping the same for the rest of the owners.
As much as I have browsed EE for the time I've been here, many rifles I can buy new for ever so slightly more. Rare to see an actual bargain. I'll buy new and get the warranty, thank-you. And I generally assume that in most purchases in life, really, warranty is generally non-transferable. So I don't see much of an issue, personally.
And, I am lucky, as so far, I am generally trouble free, with my rifle. One mag related issue - resolved. Shooting fine since then. A few dissassembly inspections at this time leave me no cause for concern. What will the continuing future bring? I don't know, but I registered for the warranty. So far, SFRC has directly taken care of any issues I did have, without hesitation. I lost absolutely zero intended trigger time.
Never gave a crap about AR-15s (5.56/.223 for that matter), so this is also my first foray into the style/platform. Pretty donkey simple to figure out, with a general knowledge of mechanical principles, and a few checks around these threads.
The rain has stopped, here. So when the bush dries up a bit, I expect to go and enjoy my rifle some more. Hoping the same for the rest of the owners.
Runningfool
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I don't think this is a cause for concern. I suspect BCL just wanted to tighten up the warranty a bit - NEA's warranty was pretty open-ended and I think more than a few people knowingly or unknowingly took advantage of it and I bet the new people at BCL are simply seeking to reign that in somewhat.
Sunchild2071
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Simple. F something up by your own hands or cause, then roll the dice and send in for warranty.
Some businesses are ok with that. Saw a guy take a battery into Canadian Tire. Swollen. Obviously frozen which happens only to discharged batteries. Neglect, period. They exchanged it. I would call that taking advantage of a warranty.
Let's get relevant now. Buy rifle. Don't even or clean or inspect, just start firing rounds. Never clean it. Shoot corrosive/ dirty ammo, abuse it. Send in for warranty when your barrel is shot out and receiver worn from all the mud testing you did. After you do your one and only detail cleaning.
Doesn't take that much imagination.
Runningfool
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It's easier than you think...
Buy an AR, know next to nothing about the platform, start modding it, mess it up, send it in for "warranty", get it back fixed.
Happened a lot I'm sure. Combination of a) attractive price point of NEA-15 made it a frequent choice for first time AR owners, b) Canadian manufacturer makes it easy to ship back (can't do that with a norc), and c) NEA's willingness to fix user related/caused issues because they are actually pretty good guys.
And any warranty centre would see right through it refuse the claim. Not even NEA would cover such blatant neglect.
Warranties are to cover the buyer against manufacturing defect. It's not a lifetime guarantee against owner stupidity.
Runningfool
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Yeah, like people are going to come on CGN, admit they f'd up and got it warrantied.
I know of several examples personally and have been to NEA's facility and talked with the people who work there - trust me, it happens regularly.
You're right, it is at their discretion and I think in the past they were pretty generous with that discretion. Like I said, I think they did that because they are a good bunch of guys. And I think that when you are the new kid on the block and you made some disasterous PR mistakes early on, generating a bit of goodwill in this manner maybe makes sense.
Sunchild2071
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