NEA non-restricted black rifle coming?

misanthropist said:
I would bet a minimum of 68 billion dollars that NEA would not name it that.
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I agree.

Unless a web-forum was going to front the R&D costs. However, I'd bet 68 billion dollars that that's not going to happen either.

I do love the idea of combining their swiss lower with a 180B-esque type upper. Doing so would probably eliminate any patent type issues, and would certainly set the stage for a solid non-restricted classification.

The 180B upper would have to physically be different for connecting to a swiss lower, but could be designed to use 180B internals. It would all come down to the trigger mechanism I guess in making the upper/lower compatible.
 
if some of you remmber when nea were first playing around on CGN, the first product they were looking to bring to market was a non Ris black gun.
i remmber talking to jeff long time ago and he droped the idea, but that dont meen its still not possable.
Im sure when the $$$ start rolling in from all the ar15 sales, this may be somthing he will look at again.
But its not a small thing to do, coming up with an idea from scratch.
If you thinking making an ar15 is hard its nothing when it comes to making your own design.
The things that could go wrong and QC issues that could come up could takes years to debug.
No one wants to be a retail Bata tester , we allready have that with Robarm...
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badboybeeson said:
if some of you remmber when nea were first playing around on CGN, the first product they were looking to bring to market was a non Ris black gun.
i remmber talking to jeff long time ago and he droped the idea, but that dont meen its still not possable.
Im sure when the $$$ start rolling in from all the ar15 sales, this may be somthing he will look at again.
But its not a small thing to do, coming up with an idea from scratch.
If you thinking making an ar15 is hard its nothing when it comes to making your own design.
The things that could go wrong and QC issues that could come up could takes years to debug.
No one wants to be a retail Bata tester , we allready have that with Robarm...
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Reverse engineering a proven design isn't all that difficult or expensive. Just ask Norinco, they're masters at doing so. It's not like NEA has to come up with their own design from scratch. I honestly think NEA lacks the engineering talent required to do so in the first place. With all due respect, they're a machine shop, not weapons designers.
 
Norinco needs to field a copy of the AR180. It would be a huge seller in this part of the world, especially if they made it with an aluminum receiver.
 
I don't think I like bulpups.

So, bolt action in pistol caliber, with short(14" ish) barrel.
Likely, semi-auto in pistol caliber, with 18.5" barrel would also be good.
Semi-auto .223
Semi-auto .308

I want a wood & steel .223 rifle, with a solid platform for optics, ar magazine, and accurate.

A 5.7x28mm rifle, bolt action, short heavy barrel.
 
Ooh, European...classy!

I have always enjoyed the various suggestions from people that local manufacturers should build incredibly expensive versions of readily available guns built elsewhere. For example, anyone who knows me knows I have a soft spot for the M14...but the one thing we have in unlimited supply is M14 receivers built out of really hard steel. Can you imagine the expense of tooling up to cut new M14 receivers? Ouch.

Similarly, the SKS (while a solid little rifle as well) already exists, in quantities we can barely wrap our heads around. An SKS based platform will always just be an SKS to most buyers.

What we need are guns we CAN'T get!

I would say a fresh crack at the 180b is probably the most sensible approach...the gun's already been built, it works, it's non-restricted, it takes AR mags...pretty much checking all the boxes there. The idea to put it on the NEA sig lower is interesting as well, although I don't know enough about either platform to have a good sense of how feasible that would be.
 
misanthropist said:
The idea to put it on the NEA sig lower is interesting as well, although I don't know enough about either platform to have a good sense of how feasible that would be.
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Just going by memory of an AR180 upper and a Swiss Arms lower, entirely feasible. Time to borrow my buddy's Swiss Miss and see what I can come up with.
 
It won't be anywhere near drop in, but I like the idea for sure. Make a swiss lower compatible upper that takes AR15 barrels. Short stroke piston, over the bolt carrier recoil spring, guide rails for the carrier. Pretty simple.
 
As it's Swiss compatible, upper receiver is the firearm. Could be easier to class if you want to run different barrel lengths as each upper would be the firearm so restricted ones would be easily track. Would calm the RCMP and CFO lackeys.
 
Armedsask said:
As it's Swiss compatible, upper receiver is the firearm. Could be easier to class if you want to run different barrel lengths as each upper would be the firearm so restricted ones would be easily track. Would calm the RCMP and CFO lackeys.
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I doubt it ....lately they got thier panties so far up their backsides there is a whole new crop of sh*ty ideas comeing to the surface. AP80,X-rail,T97,Sig522 and ?????next

I like the idea you have but I think a canadian made "swiss type" upper to go on their(NEA) already existing lower is the way to go for NEA...IMO

I would however love to see your talented hands tackle your idea.
 
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