Need a Modern non restricted semi auto rifle

I got a xcr in 7.62 and love it so do all my friends the cz is cheaper but it doesn't even stand in the same zone as the xcr and in 7.62 it is cheap to fire as far as the issues people talk about I can only speak for myself and after 1200 rounds I only had one failure and that was a ammo issue it feels great when handling and breaks down pretty easy for cleaning all in all a great gun and worth the money
 
B2000 said:
I got a xcr in 7.62 and love it so do all my friends the cz is cheaper but it doesn't even stand in the same zone as the xcr and in 7.62 it is cheap to fire as far as the issues people talk about I can only speak for myself and after 1200 rounds I only had one failure and that was a ammo issue it feels great when handling and breaks down pretty easy for cleaning all in all a great gun and worth the money
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Can you elaborate on that for me? 1200 rounds? Is that in one session or is that the total round count of your gun so far? Corrosive or non corrosive ammo?
 
I have both and XCR and a Tavor, i had problems with my 223 XCR setup with BHO and alot of failures. the BHO pin was at an angle from factory and by the time i noticed it carved a notch out of the bottom of my bolt... and wore the BHO pin prematurely. New pin was sent from wolverine and that helped for a bit but i think the bolt is permanently damaged, and now i cant fire two rounds without a jam. But now I threw a 6.8 kit on it and it runs like a top with zero failures in approx 400 rounds. So maybe the 223 setup was just badluck, issues are currently being resolved with Wolverine hopefully.

And with the good old Tavor i have fully abused, and it has yet to fail me and i must be at the 1500 round mark. Feels alot better to shoulder and is MUCH more balanced. Having both i find myself shooting the TAR21 alot more frequently.
 
supernova said:
My XCR-L .223 in black was about $2520 after AB tax. I think it was $2399 before tax. Mine had a bad barrel from the factory. It was one of the ones that had to have the brake pinned for export and whoever drilled the pin hole drilled it right into the bore and seated the pin so deep I couldn't even push a .22 cal jag through it. Wolverine had 2 barrels in their inventory like this too. Replacement barrel was pinned but whoever installed the brake must not have been thinking, or just plain lazy because the crush washer was not crushed so it came loose after about 200 rds. The pin stopped it from rotating but it was wobbly on the threads. I replaced it with a YHM Phantom and new crush washer that I actually crushed. The only other issue Ive had is the typical cratered primers caused by too heavy of a firing pin spring and too light of a hammer spring. One guy on the XCR forum reported cutting a few coils off the FP spring and replacing the hammer spring with one from an AR IIRC and that fixed the issue.
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So just how many rounds does that rifle have through it in total? And why does a $2500 rifle need that much work just to get it running?

cyrusvirus said:
I'm glad to hear more from owners of the XCR, thanks for the info. Im feeling like the XCR may be the right direction to go with all of the owners like yourself saying such great things about it, and the issues I've heard seem pretty standard with any mass produced product (there are going to be randoms that have issues) thanks again :)
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That was a joke right?
 
cyrusvirus said:
What I meant was that when you produce a lot of firearms, you are going to have lemons every now and again, and although there have been some mention of some more serious issues they have said that parts were readily available and easily fixed the problems which led to the flawless functioning of the firearm. Which generally puts concerns to rest. I'm not saying a firearm is the same as any mass produced product lol
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Would that be the same case all the time? And what if the part is not so readily available in your case? Are you prepared to fork over $2500 then wait months so that someone can get it running? If the cz is too blah and low brow, fork over a bit more get a swiss and be done with it. I don't understand the robinson xcr, or the shrubmaster acr. They are hugely expensive and till someone tinkers with them they dont run.
 
ztunelover said:
Would that be the same case all the time? And what if the part is not so readily available in your case? Are you prepared to fork over $2500 then wait months so that someone can get it running? If the cz is too blah and low brow, fork over a bit more get a swiss and be done with it. I don't understand the robinson xcr, or the shrubmaster acr. They are hugely expensive and till someone tinkers with them they dont run.
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Or get a tavor.
 
andrew3081 said:
Or get a tavor.
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Or that, I keep forgetting to mention it, I personally dont like them all that much. But I will not fault anyone for wanting or owning one. They are extraordinarily capable rifles. So there you go op. Fork over a few hundred extra and grab a tavor if it suits your fancy
 
andrew3081 said:
Or get a tavor.
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While the Tavor is a fine machine, the one I shot didn't fit me well at all. LOP, buttstock, geometry, weight distribution, foregrip just couldn't feel right, even after 200 rounds.

I like the length and weight of the Swiss Arms, my body fits around it and it's easier to hold steady, and fire from different positions.
 
800 rds down the barrel of my xcr-l and not a single problem ! ... if your watching youtube for videos watch mine lol ... nemotheman666 on youtube ... im new to recording but atleast your not watching the same guy post 6 different videos of the same problems.... and for those who think this xcr is too heavy they should have their man card taken from them . :)
 
Its no different than any other gun. How long did Steve wait for his new SAN reciever? And he paid a lot more for that rifle. Every rifle can have issues and with the XCR that the OP wants he has Wolverine who knows the rifles very well and keeps all the usual suspect parts#in stock. It cost me $0 and no time that would have been spent at the range to get mine shooting. Try that with a CZ, Tavor, SAN when it breaks. And they all can and do break. You don't hear M305 owners whining and snivelling when their rifles need work right out of the box.

ztunelover said:
Would that be the same case all the time? And what if the part is not so readily available in your case? Are you prepared to fork over $2500 then wait months so that someone can get it running? If the cz is too blah and low brow, fork over a bit more get a swiss and be done with it. I don't understand the robinson xcr, or the shrubmaster acr. They are hugely expensive and till someone tinkers with them they dont run.
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cyrusvirus said:
I already have a couple sks' and one had been after marketed to look very much like the cz, so I don't much care for something I essentially already have.
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Hey. The cz858 is nothing like a Sks in a crapco stock. Ooopps. Autocorrect Tapco. ;) the cz858/vz58 are a great series of rifles. All mine have worked fine. That being said I wouldn't mind having an xcr for ease of mounting optics and AR-ish ergos and overall they seem to be a great rifle with great customer service from Wolverine. Tavor is a great choice too. High quality and reliability. I ended up jumping on the type-97 bandwagon. Was in my local gun store the other day and talked the owner into selling me his. When the first shipment arrives. I'll try it out. If I don't like the bullpup thing I'll sell it on the EE and probably get an xcr. All the options that have been mentioned are great rifles. If you could try some of them out first that would be ideal. Good luck! Oh yeah where you started another "best nonrestricted black rifle thread" you are now obligated to post pics and a range report with your new rifle ;)
 
Depends what you are looking for.
For three gun banging out to 200-300 meters the tavor wins.
The xcr and tavor are comparable for accuracy, you will not be sniping gophers at 250 yards with either...
The tavor is much higher quality.
Swiss arms or acr with a nr match barrel for accuracy.
 
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