need advice picking a scope

mightyhunter said:
Misticplayer,
What do think about the Sightron Slll compare to Zeiss Conquest?
I am about to buy another Zeiss in 6.5-20x50. I have never looked through the S Slll but I have read the reviews on it and all were very good.
I prefer to check out the optics before I buy them. the problem with S Slll is that no one sells them around where I live.
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I have only looked through a Zeiss Conquest for a short period of time. Was ok but didn't study it enough to give a fair opinion. The mechanicals on it didn't work however. This was pretty obvious and really surprising.

The NEW Sightron SIII has AWESOME optics. I compared it to my Pentax ED spotting scope and it was very similar. Sharp clear with excellent colour quality.

I am putting this scope above a few more expensive brands....

Has a huge amount of elevation and windage travel but the image quality does weaken when moved well off optical center. The best optics are in the central 2/3's of travel - pretty typical with variables with ALOT of internal adjustment.

When it is at the extremes, it is more like a VXIII. Still very useable but not sharp and clear as the middle portion.

Jerry
 
GANDERITE said:
My F Class rifles all use the Super Sniper. Three are 20X and one is 16X. For your application the 20X would be the better choice. Scope is also available as a 10X. I think all three are the same size.

This is a solid 30MM scope with decent reticle and optics.

I have 5 years on two of them. The clicks are 100% accurate. The knobs have a O ring to make the turret waterproof. This makes the clicks kinda muddy. On my wife's I took the O rings off, so the clicks have a solid click feel.


Best thing about these scopes is that they cost about $300.

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I just got a ZEISS Congress at Wholesales & Sports for around $1000, and the Optic is every bit as Good As NIGHT FORCE!

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I got to Agree, Best Bang for the BUCK!
 
GANDERITE said:
My F Class rifles all use the Super Sniper. Three are 20X and one is 16X. For your application the 20X would be the better choice. Scope is also available as a 10X. I think all three are the same size.

This is a solid 30MM scope with decent reticle and optics.

I have 5 years on two of them. The clicks are 100% accurate. The knobs have a O ring to make the turret waterproof. This makes the clicks kinda muddy. On my wife's I took the O rings off, so the clicks have a solid click feel.


Best thing about these scopes is that they cost about $300.

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I got to Agree, Best Bang for the BUCK!

I just got myself a ZEISS Congress at Wholesales & Sport for 1G, The Optic are very comparable to NightForce .
 
I own/have owned a lot of optics including the german made zeiss( scopes and binos), zeiss conquest,swarovski(scope and binos),leica (binos and rangefinder binos),leupold,bushnell elite 4200 and nightforce.
For hunting purposes the german made zeiss and swarovski are as good as it gets . I shot a huge buck at last light at 275 yards 3 years ago I would not have been able to see with lesser optics.If you are serious about hunting save for one of these scopes . The optics are far more important than the rifle in my opinion.
Optically I would say the conquest is a touch better than the leupold and bushnell.Nightforce optics are pretty good but the highend leupolds and zeiss conquest have slightly better optics( imho) .Where the nightforce really excels is in the adjustments and features.For target purposes the nightforce is a very serious scope( I can't imagine a better scope for target).I find for the money the bushnell 4200 is a tough act to follow and probably earns a best buy.In my opinion you have to spend 2-300 more on a leupold for equal optics.
Incidently swarovski seems to favour the greens a little bit( not completely accurate) and therefore can give a slight edge in hunting situations as they exaggerate the contrast.
You may disagree but these are my opinions.
 
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I think I am going to Like it, very bright and clear, I think the next scope is going tobe another Zeiss in 30mm tube, I am heading down to Shooting edge to check out the big one.
 
BeerBaron said:
Having used scopes with 1/8th clicks I really don't see much of a point in it. Unless you can shoot better than 1/4 MOA accuracy there isn't much point in having finer clicks than that. That being said it wouldn't really be high on my list of criteria on a scope, both with accomplish the same thing. You just have to dial in a lot more 'clicks' in order to adjust for a long range with 1/8th clicks than you would have to with 1/4 clicks.
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Depends on it's usage. For myself, shooting F-Class, a 1/4min click moves me from one side of the V-Bull to the other. If I am trying to center my group in the V-Bull then the 1/8min click will give me the proper aiming point (Center of bull) to use the whole bull rather than having to hold off on one side or the other to keep it centered.

That being said, many F-Classers shoot better than I do using a 1/4min adjustment.
 
My buddy has 2 Zeiss conquests... on his 257 Weatherby he can only get to 500m then he runs out of clicks...

On my 6.5X300WinMag I couldn't get low enough to zero it @ 100 m.. Only to 600m.. I do have a near 20 MOA rail though...

Not eoungh adjustment any way you cut it... I saved and bought the nightforce as i was so disappointed with the zeiss...
 
Beer Baron,,, the difference between 1/4 and 1/8 th clicks at 100 is small, but at 1000 yds, it is quite noticable.

For the budget mentioned I'd buy ( did buy one and love it) the Bushnell 4200 Tactical 6x24x50mm , Large easily adjusted target knobs, resettable to zero once sighted in. Able to take a beating , lifetime warr. Returns to zero everytime and I think it's under $700.00

http://www.bushnell.com/general/riflescopes_elite4200_42-6245t.cfm

Mike.
 
Ice-Pick said:
Beer Baron,,, the difference between 1/4 and 1/8 th clicks at 100 is small, but at 1000 yds, it is quite noticable.

For the budget mentioned I'd buy ( did buy one and love it) the Bushnell 4200 Tactical 6x24x50mm , Large easily adjusted target knobs, resettable to zero once sighted in. Able to take a beating , lifetime warr. Returns to zero everytime and I think it's under $700.00

http://www.bushnell.com/general/riflescopes_elite4200_42-6245t.cfm

Mike.
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So would you say you'd prefer 1/8th MOA clicks for 1000 yard shooting for the finer adjustment or 1/4 for having to dial half the number of clicks?

I haven't shot much past 400 (tried a couple times at unknown distances that I estimated at 600-700 with mildots, had decent but mixxed results), so I admit I'm fairly green on the topic.
 
I love my Nikon Buck Master 4.5-14X40 SF Mil Dot. Got it on E-bay for about $250
 
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A few of the top shooters (the ones I shoot with anyways) use the Night Force BR at 1000, this gives them 1/8th and they like it that way.
I've got an NXS on my 1000 yd gun and a BR on my PPC,,,,,, BUT, i'm considering putting the NXS on my 50 and buying another N/F BR for my 1000 yd gun.
And yes i'd rather dial in more "clicks" and be specific then worry about the exercise of the clicking.
Early this year when i was sighting in a new load for the 6 BR I was at 900 yds and found that when the scope was dead on the bulls eye (yes I can see it quite well at 42 x) the bullet's impact was breaking the line at 12 o'clock on the vee bull. I moved the scope down 1 click and broke the line at 6 o'clock.
I ended up going back up one click and aiming at 6 o'clock to hit the center of the vee bull.
This lead me to believe that if i'd have had 1/8th adjustments instead of 1/4 i'd have hit dead center , right where my cross hairs were.

M.

p.s. The NXS was worth $2100 + the BR cost me $1455+ I love em both but will probably buy another BR.
 
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