New 12G under-barrel shotgun - coming soon

Ares Arsenal said:
A question from Ares Arsenal to the future owners of Behemoth firearms.


What would you choose?:

1. Behemoth with steel receiver, as the original design.
2. Behemoth with receiver made from high grade aluminum.


Aluminum receiver:
- reduces the overall weight from 0.7kg to 0.5kg.
- MSRP is also to reduce slightly.
- better corrosion resistance.
- not as durable as steel.
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Steel please
 
Vewdu said:
if I have to be worried about damaging my underbarrel shotgun because I drop the rifle, it's useless.
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This is exactly what I was thinking. These are going to be mounted to guns that weigh 7-8lb, if that gun is dropped and it lands on the underbarrel shotgun that shotgun is going to need to be reasonably robust to not get messed up.
 
M1akid said:
I’d pay like a 1000+ for a Ti version lol
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First iteration of Monoceros, Behemoth's parent, with receiver and barrel made from titanium alloy... in 2019. Manufacturing nightmare even for the simple "brick" design. Not doing it again))).
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Is the "barrel" portion steel on the aluminum version? I can't see how aluminium wouldn't be more than strong enough especially with steel bushings on hinge points, even if dropped while attached to a rifle.
Of course I'd be interested in either, which I expect most would as this is a very unique shotgun.
 
Ares Arsenal said:
Depending what are the priorities. Here's what we think:
- aluminum provides better corrosion resistance - the gun in survival role is likely to be exposed to humid conditions for long periods of time,
- the firearm is single-shot and will have less rounds fired than semiautomatic, hence the lifespan priority,
- aluminum alloy that we are testing is about as strong as the 4140 steel used in the original design, but any aluminum is easier to scratch (and is also easy to touch up). Steel bushings and inserts in critical places will maximize lifespan,
- when mounted on a rifle/carbine, the less weight the better as it affects the overall weapon balance,
- we are planning to produce a stock that would turn it into a very compact standalone firearm with a weight of around 1kg for aluminum receiver option, an ideal outdoorsman survival firearm with different caliber adapters, red dot option, etc.,
- use of aluminum instead of steel will reduce MSRP a little (the main cost driver, however, is production volume),


This is our reasoning, but WE REALLY WANT TO KNOW YOUR OPINION!)
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Definitely solid steel for me. Don't mind the light weight increase to know 12g is bomb proof
 
arsenal69 said:
Is the "barrel" portion steel on the aluminum version? I can't see how aluminium wouldn't be more than strong enough especially with steel bushings on hinge points, even if dropped while attached to a rifle.
Of course I'd be interested in either, which I expect most would as this is a very unique shotgun.
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The barrel is steel regardless of receiver material.
 
I recall reading earlier in the thread that these were a no-go for MLOK rail systems, can Ares Arsenal speak on that? Will steel/aluminum picatinny rail bolted onto MLOK be strong enough?
 
JasonGTA said:
I recall reading earlier in the thread that these were a no-go for MLOK rail systems, can Ares Arsenal speak on that? Will steel/aluminum picatinny rail bolted onto MLOK be strong enough?
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MLOK is not strong enough as it is not meant for high loads. If your rifle is compatible with AR-15 handguard, the best solution is to get a single-piece quad rail for AR-15. The kinds that consist of several pieces bolted together are likely to fail, even if they are "military grade".

We have developed a 1/2" spacer that allows to open and load Behemoth when it is mounted on long handguards close to the magazine - you can see it lying on the table in the beginning of the video:
This spacer also reinforces the handguard by clamping around it and reduces the local stress from recoil by distributing it over 2x length of the rail. Let us know if you think this may be useful and we'll discuss this option with Marstar.

Stock that turns Behemoth into a standalone firearm is another option that we would like to introduce soon.
 
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derek2007 said:
Imagine these with spring loaded ejection like the old single shot cooeys lol. Launch empties half a block away
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We really tried, but there is no internal space to accommodate that. So, Behemoth has extractor that pulls out spent cartridge to about 1/4" at the maximum open angle (the more you open the barrel, the more the spent casing is pushed out by extractor).
 
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