New Bear Defence Idea, hope it's legal

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With all the bear attacks and stuff, I been thinking about how I bow hunt for deer and where, one place tons of bear ####, the other not so often. I ground hunt, sitting in tall grass or on a shorten chair. At short distance with the bow I would have no chance, and my knife is in the fanny pack beside me, Bear spray with short notice would be to late.
Then a wise old man, said to me cap his ass with a flare gun!!!!. You know the ones, breach load, comes with 3 or 4 flares. It will go in and stick there for good, and the burn for about a minute or more. The bear will be trying to put it out or run like hell, you will be safe after that.

Fuzzie Wuzzie Was A Bear. Fuzzie Wuzzie wasn't so Fuzzie after a 12 ga flare,lol.

Fuzzie Wuzzie will be well done from the inside out, HMMM wonder do they make hickory falvor flares???
 
Very funny, but the point I was trying to make was very plain and simple, This is a hand held pistol style, break action load flare gun, quick response to a attack. We are not allowed hand guns!!!, But this puppie would be dam close at close range
 
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 5:37 pm Post subject:



I wonder how much that hurts? Having a flare shoved up your ass by an angry bear I mean.
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Hey Sean,
lets go hunting, you get to wear the fur coat, and run at anyone of the three of us and you can tell us if you if you end up with a burning feeling that's not chilli.
 
Re: 51 reviews and only one comment????

[/quote]You don't? Kill or be killed, or scare it off, but don't maim, imho. Hey, what do I know? :roll:[/quote]

x2 i totally agree we should not aim to maim any animal even in defense of our or ones life, shoot ,scare, or run, or just dont hunt!!
 
maim, what maim,

Where do you get this maim stuff from, it's kill in self defence only, the bear is charging, you have 15 ft before you and your favorite hat become bear #### in 12 hours, you can't go bow hunting with a 45-70 with you or a side arm as back up. read the lines not between them. Would this work as a legal back up. Also as your getting tossed around like a rag doll a can of pepper spray might not have any sound effect not to mention any smack upside the head effect
 
yes it would be legal to defend with it......if it gets down to that, use it. better the bear dies than you.

I think if you maim a bear that attacks you, and that maiming stops the attack, well done. There aint a million bears that's worth the life of one man.
 
huntinstuff said:
There aint a million bears that's worth the life of one man.
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Really? Okay. :shock: :roll:
Like I said, it's just my opinion.
So, if you bust a flare into some bear's ass you don't think he or she's gonna suffer a bit (or a lot)? You think this magnificent animal is gonna drop like you just nailed it with a big bore? If a flare is all you've got for a last ditch effort to save your life, fine, Gilligan! (rip, bob)...
I don't agree with planning it that way, that's all.
Don't shoot anything with a flare gun. They are not designed for that application.
Hey, how about you go out with your bow and a fire extinguisher? That might piss off a bear and not actually hurt it.
So, how many times have you hunted and how many times have you been attacked by bears?
Look, I'm not trying to be a prick (too late, maybe :lol: ), but just trying to put things into perspective.
Feel free to flame me or ignore me...
 
I've never shot a bear with a flare gun, so I have zero opinion on it effectiveness.

However, I'll talk about the ethics of shooting an attacking bear with a flare gun.

Bottom line? When an animal (human or animal) decides that you are it's prey, there are NO ethics.

You fight with what you got.

If a bear attacked me, and I had a flare gun with me, I 'd shoot the bear with the flare in the hopes that it would dissuade the bear from further attacks upon me.

There is a (valid) argument that if a black bear attacks you, you shold fight back, to establish that you are NOT prey. Firing a flareinto it would certainly make that point.

While the first thing on my mind when hunting is to make a clean kill, to limit suffering of the animal, I could give a rats ass how an animal (or human) dies if it attacks me.

If I shot it with a flare, and it ran away, to die 3 days later I wouldn't lose a minutes sleep over it. All I am concerned about is that Mr BEar leaves me alone.
 
Gatehouse said:
I've never shot a bear with a flare gun, so I have zero opinion on it effectiveness.

However, I'll talk about the ethics of shooting an attacking bear with a flare gun.

Bottom line? When an animal (human or animal) decides that you are it's prey, there are NO ethics.

You fight with what you got.

If a bear attacked me, and I had a flare gun with me, I 'd shoot the bear with the flare in the hopes that it would dissuade the bear from further attacks upon me.

There is a (valid) argument that if a black bear attacks you, you shold fight back, to establish that you are NOT prey. Firing a flareinto it would certainly make that point.

While the first thing on my mind when hunting is to make a clean kill, to limit suffering of the animal, I could give a rats ass how an animal (or human) dies if it attacks me.

If I shot it with a flare, and it ran away, to die 3 days later I wouldn't lose a minutes sleep over it. All I am concerned about is that Mr BEar leaves me alone.
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Have to agree with Gatehouse! 8)
 
I agree with you Terrance.
Don't go out with intentions of hurting something. But if its all you have, and it's legal to carry it for that purpose, it's better than nothing.


There are guys that illegally sneak a handgun with them for that purpose. Bad idea.
I did say that "a million bears aren't worth the life of one man" and the reason for that is : What if I were that man?

If they told me I could chose between a million bears dying and my own life, I'd say something like "well, I hope I get a few rugs out of it"

I don't condone hurting an animal for no good reason. I believe he asked if it would be ok to use it in self defence. I believe you can use anything in self defence. And if a flare gun is what you have, and you need to use it to spare your life, fire away. Bear spray is nice, but I dont know many guys who could remain calm enough to use it at its effective range. And then the wind plays a big part too. Nothing worse than getting backspray in your face and getting mauled while your eyes are on fire. :shock:


BY the way, do you guys and gals know the difference between black bear poop and grizzly?

Well, black bear poop is a black clump with berries in it and grizzly bear poop has little bells in it and smells like pepper :wink:
 
It's utterly irresponsible.

If i was in the woods and all I HAPPENED to have was a flare gun, i'd use it just because i'm not prepared to be eaten, if i thought it'd make a difference.

But to actually plan to take one for that purpose....

Bush Whaker, you need to think a bit. Lets say you 'flare' a bear. It's not going to kill it outright, that's pretty much a given. They don't kill humans outright as a rule, so we can make a safe guess it won't kill a bear.

But - you just fired an intensly burning pyrotechnic device in a forest. If it bounces off the bear, it'll create a forest fire, and you're too busy with the bear to deal with it. If it sticks to the bear's fur, he's running thru the woods dropping fire as he goes, and there's nothing you can do about it.


It makes ZERO sense. Pepper spray is effective and readily available, and i cannot believe that a flare gun would be more effective. But you wont' light the damn forest on fire doing it.

If you manage to light the forest on fire, someone's going to have to risk their lives to put it out - it'll cause a lot of damage, and depending where you are it could also wind up destroying a lot of property.

Not to mention the fact that we know that products that scare a bear (which is really what the flare will do, it won't incapacitate him) are just as likely to work against you - bear bangers have met with mixed results, especially close in.

I appreciate why you asked the question - but only the worst kind of hunter would risk others lives and the destruction of the hunting area to use a method that is likely LESS effective than other methods that don't.

2 points for thinking outside the box - but don't do it.

If you're concerned, pepper spray on a holster would be just as fast as a flare gun could be - and if you're REALLY concerned pack a small gun with you, even a single shot shotgun wiht the barrel cut to 18.5 and the stock cut short as you can and still legal would be better than a flare gun.

If you're attacked use whatever you've got - but be responsible and take something that's not going to destroy the forest if you're worried about bears.
 
Good idea ! I bet Marc Jordan wished he had something more potent than a Swiss pocket knife when that black bear was ripping into his wife at Missinaibi Lake Provincial Park. Who would give a damn about forest fires, other people, and especially bears while such a horrible tragedy was taking place .
What's a good brand of flare gun to buy?
 
Just curious - what is the percentage that you'll be successful with bear spray if used? I doubt it is 100%.
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The stats complied by herrero, who's probably spent the most time actually studying this stuff, is that in 100 percent of the cases a good dose to the bear will stop it from doing whatever it was doing when sprayed. And it's effective in defense about 75 percent of the time. It is more effective on grizzlies than on black bears.

The reason for the difference in the two stats is that the bears frequently stop the attack and break off - but frequently re-engage the person. If this happens more than once or twice they could be out of spray before they reach saftey. And of course some people are unable to deploy the spray properly - if the bear gets on top of you it's very hard to manage to actually get a good dose in the face.

Incidently, in reported cases it's been as or more effective that firearms by a reasonable amount. However - one must assume there's a lot of successful (and possibly unsuccessful) uses of firearms against bears that are simply not reported.

When you're not allowed to carry a gun - pepper spray is a good alternative. If you know how to use it and have practiced with a can or two, it works and works pretty well.
 
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