New Bear Defence Idea, hope it's legal

Here's a better idea - bring some fireworks. You know, the ones that shoot multiple, alternating green and red flaming balls. Light up a couple and have at it! Maybe keep a couple of the "burning schoolhouses" handy as well... 8)
the keepa said:
... denigrating ...
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An interesting, uncommon, somewhat archaic Latin-based word (along with most of our language, of course) which I believe has racist origins or overtones - the original denigrare or denigrat meaning to blacken or defame - "de" plus "niger". I tend to stay away from these kinds of words as by todays standards they might be considered politically incorrect. It infers that to be of African descent is insulting. That's just my take on it... 8)
 
Foxer said:
Just curious - what is the percentage that you'll be successful with bear spray if used? I doubt it is 100%.
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The stats complied by herrero, who's probably spent the most time actually studying this stuff, is that in 100 percent of the cases a good dose to the bear will stop it from doing whatever it was doing when sprayed. And it's effective in defense about 75 percent of the time. It is more effective on grizzlies than on black bears.

etc....
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Foxer, thanks for the info.

Supplemental question: If bear bangers are fairly effective, what about air horns? Would they be as effective, or would they be more likely to rile up Smokey and Grizz?'
 
Why in God's name would you intentionally carry something that PROBABLY won't work, may light the forest on fire and endanger other people, is inaccurate and takes time to reload? (i've got one of those 12 guage pistols. We have it for the boat. let me tell ya, you ain't going to get good groups with it. )

Duh!...It's a signal flare...perhaps to signal someone if you need help or do you believe only boaters should carry them ?
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Ok - i would have thought it was pretty obvious that i was talking about bear defense, not other legitimate uses for a flare gun. But - seeing as you need it spelled out a little more, replace the first line to read :

Why in God's name would you intentionally carry something to defend against an attacking bear that PROBABLY won't work.....

Such denigrating language ....and from a Moderater no less...."someone with a brain"...."stupid"...."a grade a moron"....oh yes very classy .
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Whereas burning down a forest out of a complete lack of regard or common sense is taught in ALL the finest finishing schools?
 
John Spartan said:
Supplemental question: If bear bangers are fairly effective, what about air horns? Would they be as effective, or would they be more likely to rile up Smokey and Grizz?'
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actualy bear bangers can be more dangerous than the flare gun , they do shoot off the pen launcher or whatever type of launcher your using , and over shooting a bear and having it go off behind the bear would push it in your direction even more so , and YES people do pack those rechargable air horns with them and they are a loud noise that works , anyhow back to the bush with Anphib thismorning looking for a bear worthy of a lead pill :lol: , 7 blacks last night and 2 grizz in about 2 and 1/2 hours , and the suns going to come up for us today :D :D :D


Keepa ... .... .... ... ..... ... . .those were some D U M B A S S comments under the circomstances :wink: :lol:
 
anyhow back to the bush with Anphib thismorning looking for a bear worthy
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Hey - give amphib a flare gun and tell him to take point... we'll settle this once and for all. (the man survived a camel mauling, he ought to be able to deal with the bear if the flare doesn't work till you've decided he's had enough and shoot it).
 
bone-collector said:
John Spartan said:
Supplemental question: If bear bangers are fairly effective, what about air horns? Would they be as effective, or would they be more likely to rile up Smokey and Grizz?'
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actualy bear bangers can be more dangerous than the flare gun , they do shoot off the pen launcher or whatever type of launcher your using , and over shooting a bear and having it go off behind the bear would push it in your direction even more so , and YES people do pack those rechargable air horns with them and they are a loud noise that works , anyhow back to the bush with Anphib thismorning looking for a bear worthy of a lead pill :lol: , 7 blacks last night and 2 grizz in about 2 and 1/2 hours , and the suns going to come up for us today :D :D :D
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Bone Collector, thanks for the info! :)
 
bone-collector said:
Keepa ... .... .... ... ..... ... . .those were some D U M B A S S comments under the circomstances :wink: :lol:
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Well, I've never owned a flare gun or seen one work so perhaps you are right, but if I was standing beside a bear while it was chewing on my wife I wouldn't hesitate to shove a flare into it's ear or eyes (or any other orifice)...the consequences to the forest be damned . Forests grow back ...my wife won't .
 
But - you just fired an intensly burning pyrotechnic device in a forest. If it bounces off the bear, it'll create a forest fire, and you're too busy with the bear to deal with it. If it sticks to the bear's fur, he's running thru the woods dropping fire as he goes, and there's nothing you can do about it.


It makes ZERO sense.
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Nuff said...
 
but if I was standing beside a bear while it was chewing on my wife I wouldn't hesitate to shove a flare into it's ear or eyes (or any other orifice)...the consequences to the forest be damned . Forests grow back ...my wife won't .
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Goes without saying. I mean - if all i had was a 22 i'd use it. Or a pocket knife, as was the case with that gent the other day.

If you're in the situation, you're going to use whatever's at hand.

But if we're talking about what to TAKE with you in case you run into a bear, that's a different story. I sure wouldn't take a 22, or a pocket knife, or a flare gun. I'd take something that would be likely to work and wouldn't represent a danger to others or the woods.

So, if your comments were meant to mean you'd use a flare gun if that's all you had, then i'll appologize and say sure - i'd use a flame thrower if that's all i had and my wife was getting knawed on.

But the original poster was asking about deliberatly choosing a flare gun as a defense tool - A fair question, there are no stupid questions, but it would be at best a very bad idea to take a flare gun because you were concerned about bears, especially considering there are much better choices out there which won't endanger the forest and are much more likley to work.
 
You can tape it to your spear :lol: (now if we could just find a way to rig that combo to an sks we'd have the ultimate bear defense tool...)
 
well there is 1 less fuzzy to bother the tree planters and mushroom pickers and his army of ditch chickens and scout the coyote all joined him .......in the back of the truck :twisted:
 
Gatehouse said:
I've never shot a bear with a flare gun, so I have zero opinion on it effectiveness.

However, I'll talk about the ethics of shooting an attacking bear with a flare gun.

Bottom line? When an animal (human or animal) decides that you are it's prey, there are NO ethics.

You fight with what you got.

If a bear attacked me, and I had a flare gun with me, I 'd shoot the bear with the flare in the hopes that it would dissuade the bear from further attacks upon me.

There is a (valid) argument that if a black bear attacks you, you shold fight back, to establish that you are NOT prey. Firing a flareinto it would certainly make that point.

While the first thing on my mind when hunting is to make a clean kill, to limit suffering of the animal, I could give a rats ass how an animal (or human) dies if it attacks me.

If I shot it with a flare, and it ran away, to die 3 days later I wouldn't lose a minutes sleep over it. All I am concerned about is that Mr BEar leaves me alone.
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Yep, on all accounts.
 
groundskeeper willy said:
I smell a flare gun bear defence thread coming on!

I wouldn't just dismiss the flare gun idea out of hand.
The point as I understood, was that if you are bow hunting or even hiking you can't always lug around a shotgun or rifle for protection.
You options are then pretty limited in Canada, as we don't have CCW.
And not too many people have $1200+ to dump on an antique Webley .455, and even carrying that CCW is still iffy as to legality so lets just forget that option.

Sure , pepper spray is about the best first line of defence for a bear.
But it doesn't always work.
Then what?
Allow yourself to be killed because you might wound the bear?
Thats the last thing to worry about, as well as forest fires.
Thats all secondary when you are within spitting distance of a bear.
Nobody is saying to HUNT with a flare gun or take unnecessary POTSHOTS, the gist I get is of last-ditch-your-gonna-die option.

A flare or two at a bear just might be enough, sometimes, to either scare it away or agitate it enough to run away. Or it might just get annoyed and eat faster, who knows? But at least its SOMETHING to help, after the pepper spray fails.

Its a shame, how many guys have a safe full of large bore handguns but are forced to tramp around unarmed by our laws.

Canadian Tire is about the easiest source of those orange flare guns that have a 2" 12 gauge chamber. They have a plastic body but steel chamber.
They run around $120 for the kit with a couple extra rounds.
The 37mm caliber seem difficult for the average Joe Blow to source ammo for, as well as 26.5mm family of commie steel frame flare guns that are available at gun shows for $50. The HK flare gun is the nicest, but pricey at over $400 IIRC.

So its probaly the Crappy Tire orange guns that most people will ever see.
I would imagine they would also be decent anti-rape and mugging tool for people in big provincial parks and other biking/hiking trails near or in cities.

Its real pathetic we are even discussing flares for protection, when suitable handguns are available but illegal to carry. Real sad.
How many people gonna be killed or maimed because they couldn't pack heat while in the bush?
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Would those 2in 12ga orange guns take a special 12ga handload? Kaboom or no ? :roll:

legal? :roll:
 
To put a different spin on this. If I were to break into someones house, would it be oK if I used...X... . I just keep thinking that You're in the bears house...its his domain...his turf...he's defending it like you would defend yours. Hunting is one thing...actually its everything...but If a person is that paranoid about bears...stay the hell outta of the woods. We've got lots o bears around here too. just this summer, I've had a couple run in with bears once picking apples the other picking blueberries. My wife came nose to nose with one less than 50 yards from the house while picking blueberries. I dont stand on guard with a rifle 24 four seven. If we go for a walk we go together. The kids dont wonder and the dog is with them in the yard. Bears are Bears, more chance to be taken out by a drunk driver than a bear. Hunt them...kill them...stuff them and eat them its all good. But fer christ sake respect them...especially when in you're in their "hood".
 
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