New Bear Defence Idea, hope it's legal

yup and if a 10mph wind is blowing in your direction you can join the bear in agony :lol: :lol:

if its all you have use it but be aware of the enviroment around you (wind,rain etc) they all play factors in the sprays efectivness and at a 3m range thats getting awfull close :shock:
 
Who would give a damn about forest fires, other people, and especially bears while such a horrible trajedy was taking place .

Generally speaking - someone with a brain.

Why in God's name would you intentionally carry something that PROBABLY won't work, may light the forest on fire and endanger other people, is inaccurate and takes time to reload? (i've got one of those 12 guage pistols. We have it for the boat. let me tell ya, you ain't going to get good groups with it. )

Especially when you CAN take something that's PROBABLY going to work well, WONT endanger anyone else, doesn't need to be accurate because it covers a wider area, and is cheap and readily available?

It would be stupid. The question was worth asking, but only a grade a moron would actually CHOOSE a flare gun as a bear deterrent if you think about it for more than 2 minutes. At any range more than about 2 feet it's likley just going to bounce off of him, and if it does manage to stick to the fur you'll have an enraged attacking bear with it's ass on fire in your lap.

Christ, a 22 lr has more penetrating power than a flare gun. And i don't know what movies you've been watching, but it's hardly going to engulf the bear in flames.

A little common sense goes a long way people.
 
I smell a flare gun bear defence thread coming on!

I wouldn't just dismiss the flare gun idea out of hand.
The point as I understood, was that if you are bow hunting or even hiking you can't always lug around a shotgun or rifle for protection.
You options are then pretty limited in Canada, as we don't have CCW.
And not too many people have $1200+ to dump on an antique Webley .455, and even carrying that CCW is still iffy as to legality so lets just forget that option.

Sure , pepper spray is about the best first line of defence for a bear.
But it doesn't always work.
Then what?
Allow yourself to be killed because you might wound the bear?
Thats the last thing to worry about, as well as forest fires.
Thats all secondary when you are within spitting distance of a bear.
Nobody is saying to HUNT with a flare gun or take unnecessary POTSHOTS, the gist I get is of last-ditch-your-gonna-die option.

A flare or two at a bear just might be enough, sometimes, to either scare it away or agitate it enough to run away. Or it might just get annoyed and eat faster, who knows? But at least its SOMETHING to help, after the pepper spray fails.

Its a shame, how many guys have a safe full of large bore handguns but are forced to tramp around unarmed by our laws.

Canadian Tire is about the easiest source of those orange flare guns that have a 2" 12 gauge chamber. They have a plastic body but steel chamber.
They run around $120 for the kit with a couple extra rounds.
The 37mm caliber seem difficult for the average Joe Blow to source ammo for, as well as 26.5mm family of commie steel frame flare guns that are available at gun shows for $50. The HK flare gun is the nicest, but pricey at over $400 IIRC.

So its probaly the Crappy Tire orange guns that most people will ever see.
I would imagine they would also be decent anti-rape and mugging tool for people in big provincial parks and other biking/hiking trails near or in cities.

Its real pathetic we are even discussing flares for protection, when suitable handguns are available but illegal to carry. Real sad.
How many people gonna be killed or maimed because they couldn't pack heat while in the bush?
 
Sure , pepper spray is about the best first line of defence for a bear.
But it doesn't always work.
Then what?

Well, then you're probably dead - the bear is probably on you and it wouldn't matter if you had a flare pistol or a real one, you'd be hard pressed to bring it into action. The flare is not going to do any appreciable damage to the bear in any kind of time frame that would help you out, and if the bear is on you it might just make it madder. Not to mention the flare might just fall back on you - hardly improving your situation.

You can get those pen-launched bear-bangers - those have met with somewhat mixed results but if you had one of those and a can of pepper spray you could probably deter the bear if it hasn't made up its mind to attack you yet, and stop the bear if it does.

Its a shame, how many guys have a safe full of large bore handguns but are forced to tramp around unarmed by our laws.

That much is the cast iron truth.

I would imagine they would also be decent anti-rape and mugging tool for people in big provincial parks and other biking/hiking trails near or in cities.

That has actually happened, and yes, it can be effective. The difference is 1) it has a deterrent value against a human - the guy's gotta wonder what the flare gun will do to him, if all he's got is a knife he may think twice and move on to easier targets, and 2) they've been known to get thru cloth and sit against the skin burning - a 400 lb bear may be able to shrug off that kind of pain and keep attacking, but humans generally won't.

However, carrying one in the city COULD land you with a weapons dangerous charge, and if you actually pull it it becomes a firearm under the criminal code, with all the wonderful reprocussions accompanying that.


honestly, for bears you'd be better off with a can of spray, and if you feel the need for more, take something like a winchester trapper carbine in 44 mag with a 16 inch barrel and cut the stock till the gun is at the minimum OAL allowed. replace the wood with synth if you want to lighten it further. Then rig a scabbard for it that goes on your backpack and stays out of the way.

That way if you spray the bear but it doesn't leave, you'll have time to get out your gun and shoot it. You'll likely be more accurate firing a cut-down winnie one handed than a flare gun anyway, and you'll actually do some real damage to the bear. And you'll have a second shot pretty quick. And anyone who thinks a 44mag isn't enough to stop a bear really has no business thinking a wimpy ass light weight flare trundling along at a few hundred feet per second is going to do any good at all.

I've heard of a few people in alaska doing something similar with single shot shotguns - cut 'em way down and if you have to stick it in the bear's face and fire. At least one old guy who's son's a guide actually successfully defended himself against a bear with a rig like that. Very light, easy to carry. A real ##### to practice with i'd think - but better than nothing if you're going to be mauled.

For that matter - if you like flares you'd probably be better off with a REGULAR magnisium flare that you could hold in your hand. Lots of smoke, lots of fire and heat, too bright to look at, hissing noise, - i can imagine that a bear wouldn't quite know what to make of it.

If he got mad at it - give it to him. A few chomps on that and he'll have other things to think about than you.

I think if you were thinking 'flare' one you could hold in your hand would be much more effective than one that's likely to bounce off of him and burn somewhere else, and might scare him right into your lap.

If you REALLY wanted to be clever, take a walking stick with a small holder for a flare, then light it up if you see one and stick it right in his face if he comes at you. If he swats at it or bites at it you can always light another one, and he's likley going to regret his actions pretty quick when his paws or face are actually burning or singed.
 
only if you ave a permit (which arent easily had in BC ) and then its only for work purposes not a anytime thing unless they have recently changed the laws on the permits, and you used to have to pack a 44 or larger caliber handgun I beleive it said on the paper ? long time since I worried about it , 444 marlin is wuite effective :D
 
I thought you could carry a handgun in the bush for protection from predators. What gives?

There ARE permits that allow for that, but not for hunters. It's usually tied to your work, like if you're a miner or forestry guy. For the most part, you can't carry a pistol in the woods.
 
Wow, I didn't mean to start such a HEATED thread, pardon the pun. But there has been some real good pionts made. Now I would never go out to hurt a bear on purpose. Now in the mornings when we hunt, there is so much dew on the tall grass, we don't dry out until noon at times or by the time we get home, so starting a fire and putting someone else at risk or damage did not enter my mind, but a very point all the same, which I would not even entertain the idea if that was not the case. Now maybe when the older fellow said this to me. The flares in his day had alittle more power to them, who knows.
Now maybe the laws have to change, where I hunt, if I am bow hunting for deer, and even if I have a bear tag, I better not have rifle with me at the same time. It has to stay in the truck, until I come back and change to hunting bear.
Now maybe someone should invent something better than bear spray???? How about something like a one shot through away bear deffence gun which you would need a permit for, or some high voltage tazer that would knock him silly and messed up for about 30 minutes and would leave you and him alive and well, almost we would have to change batteries and most likely our underwear :lol:
 
Flares and bear bangers are used all the time to deter/harass problem bears.

It's common practice to use flares and loud noises to scare off bears.
 
Flares and bear bangers are used all the time to deter/harass problem bears.

Flash-bangs and bangers maybe, but i've never heard of anyone using actual standard signal flares as a first choice for a charging bear. Screamer flares maybe, but even actual bear bangers are highly questionable for a hostile bear. Maybe to drive it out of the area before it gets any funny ideas, but once it's already hostile there's been as many recorded cases where it sparked an attack rather than drove one off.

I've even heard of flare launchers for fences that shoot up a little flare if a bear passes close in order to startle or scare them away from the fenced area, but there's a big difference between a bear casually walking along and one that's decided you're lunch. (and i understand that flashing strobes are now more popular by a long shot).

Have you ever run across a case where someone actually used a flare gun on a charging bear with success?
 
Foxer said:
Flares and bear bangers are used all the time to deter/harass problem bears.



Have you ever run across a case where someone actually used a flare gun on a charging bear with success?

No, but lots of the loggers around here have shot signal flares at bears to drive them off when they are hanging around, a bit too close for comfort.
 
reality is you set a forest fire in BC your paying for it, and in this bug killed zone even soaked its still tinder dry in the middle and will ignite, bear bangers yes but what will a flare do ? if its daylight and sunny out nothing you can hardly see the thing, granted there is the "BANG" from the flare going off that may detour a charging bear, but then a branding iron heated to 1300 degrees or a conan sword will work as well, now also a 12 guage flare gun kit is about 90 bucks, there are some cheap break open single shot shotguns for the same price and bear spray even cheaper for a big can.

then in the big picture what are the odds of you being the one :?:

25 years of hunting and guiding and only twice have I had a run in with a bear that didnt like me and once was my FAULT , Gatehouse from what I understand is in the same boat, piles of bears to play with and only 1 or 2 that actualy didnt apretiate the humour in it he was out to create, I have said it 1 million times your brains are your best deffence against any problems in life , and for the ineviteble problems pack a 375H&H :twisted: :lol:
 
Foxer said:
Who would give a damn about forest fires, other people, and especially bears while such a horrible trajedy was taking place .

Generally speaking - someone with a brain.
I wasn't talking "generally" I was talking a specific incidence .
Foxer said:
Why in God's name would you intentionally carry something that PROBABLY won't work, may light the forest on fire and endanger other people, is inaccurate and takes time to reload? (i've got one of those 12 guage pistols. We have it for the boat. let me tell ya, you ain't going to get good groups with it. )
Duh!...It's a signal flare...perhaps to signal someone if you need help or do you believe only boaters should carry them ?
Foxer said:
It would be stupid. The question was worth asking, but only a grade a moron would actually CHOOSE a flare gun as a bear deterrent if you think about it for more than 2 minutes.
Such denigrating language ....and from a Moderater no less...."someone with a brain"...."stupid"...."a grade a moron"....oh yes very classy .
 
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