New Bear Defence Idea, hope it's legal

Terrence,

... denigrating ...
An interesting, uncommon, somewhat archaic Latin-based word (along with most of our language, of course) which I believe has racist origins or overtones - the original denigrare or denigrat meaning to blacken or defame - "de" plus "niger". I tend to stay away from these kinds of words as by todays standards they might be considered politically incorrect. It infers that to be of African descent is insulting. That's just my take on it...
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If the origins are latin - nice hip-hop synapse you've rendered, Terrence.
the ethimology of the word "ingrate" brings any puf-daddy puns in your so well polished bear defence techniques?

I'm tired of being politically correct _ if I ever was.

It kinda dulls the spirit. Just because I've read the same books as the social-aware liberal crowd doesn't make me a lesser person. The books were only supposed to give some ideas, rationalizing algorithms.... a map of human thinking before one emerged as a self-esteemed social creature. They were never meant to be a life guide or even worse, the newly born 10 commendments of a robespierre-ian modern canadian drama.

Thanks for sharing, anyway.
 
Such denigrating language ....and from a Moderater no less...."someone with a brain"...."stupid"...."a grade a moron"....oh yes very classy .
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Don't take it out of context, it wasn't a specific comment directed at anyone - it was an oppinion of a hypothetical situation involving a moron.
Foxer is bang on on this, a flaregun is a poor choice when there is clearly better options, I tend to like the pointy stick idea and bear spray worst case, best case a shorty 12 ga. As stated, the question was worth asking but really is not worth debating.
 
mommabear said:
Gatehouse said:
I've never shot a bear with a flare gun, so I have zero opinion on it effectiveness.

However, I'll talk about the ethics of shooting an attacking bear with a flare gun.

Bottom line? When an animal (human or animal) decides that you are it's prey, there are NO ethics.

You fight with what you got.

If a bear attacked me, and I had a flare gun with me, I 'd shoot the bear with the flare in the hopes that it would dissuade the bear from further attacks upon me.

There is a (valid) argument that if a black bear attacks you, you shold fight back, to establish that you are NOT prey. Firing a flareinto it would certainly make that point.

While the first thing on my mind when hunting is to make a clean kill, to limit suffering of the animal, I could give a rats ass how an animal (or human) dies if it attacks me.

If I shot it with a flare, and it ran away, to die 3 days later I wouldn't lose a minutes sleep over it. All I am concerned about is that Mr BEar leaves me alone.
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Have to agree with Gatehouse! 8)
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x 2!!

Although a flare gun would be a last resort item as they aren't known for exceptional accuracy - a spear now is another matter entirely, eh? .... hmmm....
 
Then a wise old man, said to me cap his ass with a flare gun!!!!. You know the ones, breach load, comes with 3 or 4 flares. It will go in and stick there for good, and the burn for about a minute or more. The bear will be trying to put it out or run like hell, you will be safe after that.
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As I read this post and subsequent threads, all I could picture was this:

"Aw crap, I'm going to die!" while the acrid stench of burning fur filled his nostrils...

(With all due respect and apologies to young Christopher Solecki of Burns Lake,BC.)
Humour aside, that has got to be my favorite all-time quote! 8)
 
MPI said:
groundskeeper willy said:
I smell a flare gun bear defence thread coming on!

I wouldn't just dismiss the flare gun idea out of hand.
The point as I understood, was that if you are bow hunting or even hiking you can't always lug around a shotgun or rifle for protection.
You options are then pretty limited in Canada, as we don't have CCW.
And not too many people have $1200+ to dump on an antique Webley .455, and even carrying that CCW is still iffy as to legality so lets just forget that option.

Sure , pepper spray is about the best first line of defence for a bear.
But it doesn't always work.
Then what?
Allow yourself to be killed because you might wound the bear?
Thats the last thing to worry about, as well as forest fires.
Thats all secondary when you are within spitting distance of a bear.
Nobody is saying to HUNT with a flare gun or take unnecessary POTSHOTS, the gist I get is of last-ditch-your-gonna-die option.

A flare or two at a bear just might be enough, sometimes, to either scare it away or agitate it enough to run away. Or it might just get annoyed and eat faster, who knows? But at least its SOMETHING to help, after the pepper spray fails.

Its a shame, how many guys have a safe full of large bore handguns but are forced to tramp around unarmed by our laws.

Canadian Tire is about the easiest source of those orange flare guns that have a 2" 12 gauge chamber. They have a plastic body but steel chamber.
They run around $120 for the kit with a couple extra rounds.
The 37mm caliber seem difficult for the average Joe Blow to source ammo for, as well as 26.5mm family of commie steel frame flare guns that are available at gun shows for $50. The HK flare gun is the nicest, but pricey at over $400 IIRC.

So its probaly the Crappy Tire orange guns that most people will ever see.
I would imagine they would also be decent anti-rape and mugging tool for people in big provincial parks and other biking/hiking trails near or in cities.

Its real pathetic we are even discussing flares for protection, when suitable handguns are available but illegal to carry. Real sad.
How many people gonna be killed or maimed because they couldn't pack heat while in the bush?
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Would those 2in 12ga orange guns take a special 12ga handload? Kaboom or no ? :roll:

legal? :roll:
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I doubt its legal, for starters.

Second, remember it is a PLASTIC frame. PLASTIC being the key word.

Even if you could stuff a regular pressure shotgun round into it, I would say its a safe bet you would blow your hand right off nicely at the wrist, followed by some shrapnel/pellets scattered throughout your face, neck and chest.

I would say to only use regular flare ammo as supplied, for signalling purposes only. Or in a pinch to distract or scare a wild attacking animal.
You must carry your flare gun, AS A FLARE GUN,- any other use is probably some sort of criminal code violation.
 
A flare has a chute attached so it can float down ,plus it would be like shooting him with a tennis ball!!

It is not pointed and would not penetrate the bear,if you were going to set him on fire you might be better served with a sooper-soaker filled with gasoline and a zippo!!!

Bad Idea all around I would say!! Course I never say never!!!

Yep this time I say never,unless it's all you had!!!!!

Bob :p
 
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