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I have a question... Should Taxi drivers get these government funded for them? Afterall they face a similar amount of danger.

I don't think anyone will argue that there are professions that have certain dangers, but most of them aren't being called in specifically to deal with the danger, and can't say no.
It's apples to oranges. Yes we all know some police never face a danger bigger than ice on the road, but there's also the ones that work downtown gangbanger central. Blanket statements about any profession don't work, or do anybody any justice.
 
I have to agree with many that this represents a "militarization" of police and I cannot see the necessity of these armoured vehicles which are deliberately intimidating. As are black uniforms for example.

It also further distances police from the populace....and creates more of an "us vs them" attitude both on the part of police..and the populace


On a different note,...here's a new army vehicle.
http://www.rcinet.ca/en/2018/01/26/canadian-forces-get-new-vehicle/

and unlike it's parent..the CBC...comments are open on all stories !
 
Entry level troll is entry level.

Address what I have been talking about.
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Address what? Paranoid babble? No thanks. This was a light hearted thread on a dealers forum and you've decided to make it your internet battleground.
If you look at the top left hand side of the page, you'll see a toolbar with forum as an option. Click on that that and you'll see other forums that are more suited to you.
 
I don't think anyone will argue that there are professions that have certain dangers, but most of them aren't being called in specifically to deal with the danger, and can't say no.
It's apples to oranges. Yes we all know some police never face a danger bigger than ice on the road, but there's also the ones that work downtown gangbanger central. Blanket statements about any profession don't work, or do anybody any justice.

Fair enough, but to me this is another one of those things that represents another gross over expenditure (in a long list). The occasions a vehicle like this is needed are far and few between..If it gets to a point where it's needed, call the army, it's probably a revolution and, we the people don't need tools like this used against us anyways.

Carbines sure, I was surprised they didn't have them already. I doubt it would have made much a difference in the Moncton senario as the role they would have played was grossly exaggerated.

I've said it many times, Canada is a VERY SAFE country. Our public safety budget is grossly bloated and needs a TON of fat tooken off. This is an easy place to cut funding aswell, the public just needs to see the RCMP propaganda and scare tactics for what it is. If we cut the RCMP/CBSA budgets by 90% noone would notice, aside from the nice surprise when we do our taxes! All the hard to employ D- students can find work in private industries instead, or perhaps the military, as we are falling short of our obligations in that regard. Alas, the sheep scare easily, that's why we are where we are at.

We should be utilizing a ton of bait vehicles, bait bikes, equipment ect. Police should focus strictly on getting thieves and violent offenders off the street. If someone broke into my house and stole my Xbox I'd expect the police to come take fingerprints and vigorously follow up. Yet they don't, it's not ###y or exciting work as driving around in tanks with all the latest gadgets snooping into everyday folks lives. Any down to earth good cop will say, "police work is not like in the movies", it's bland and monotonous going after thieves with occasional domestic assaults and violent offences. That's exactly how it should be, leave the military equipment to the army to use against foreign enemies or the occasional riot.
 
Entry level troll is entry level.

Address what I have been talking about.
/QUOTE]
Address what? Paranoid babble? No thanks. This was a light hearted thread on a dealers forum and you've decided to make it your internet battleground.
If you look at the top left hand side of the page, you'll see a toolbar with forum as an option. Click on that that and you'll see other forums that are more suited to you.


So once again you have nothing to offer to a conversation I did not initiate and resort to personal attacks. Is almost as good as the guy wailing " you talk funny" then plugs his ears.

Are you capable of having an actual meaningful conversation or just useless virtue signalling like some CBC addicted SJW?

If you don't like my style, like my dear departed grandfather once said " Plenty of room to look the other way."

What exactly is light hearted about the further militarization of our police force? Do explain.

Also you seem to have missed the rest of the people here echoing many of my concerns. Apparently you should be in a position of authority on this forum so you can censor what is said and where as it suits your sensibilities. Have you considered law enforcement as a career?

But hey you could throw up another child meme to prove your points, I guess.
 
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So once again you have nothing to offer to a conversation I did not initiate and resort to personal attacks. Is almost as good as the guy wailing " you talk funny" then plugs his ears.

Are you capable of having an actual meaningful conversation or just useless virtue signalling like some CBC addicted SJW?

If you don't like my style, like my dear departed grandfather once said " Plenty of room to look the other way."

What exactly is light hearted about the further militarization of our police force? Do explain.

Also you seem to have missed the rest of the people here echoing many of my concerns. Apparently you should be in a position of authority on this forum so you can censor what is said and where as it suits your sensibilities. Have you considered law enforcement as a career?

But hey you could throw up another child meme to prove your points, I guess.

Just do not wait for a mature argument or reply on this one! But im sure you know that already.
 
Just do not wait for a mature argument or reply on this one! But im sure you know that already.


What he is doing is transparent. I wish to illustrate this to the thinking portion of this forum which has been the vast majority.

My apologies to the vendor if this is a massive derail. It is a cool vehicle. I just cringe seeing the po-po label on it.
 
130 posts of the same sh!t every time someone posts another armoured vehicle. When you have several of your coworkers shot and killed and now you have to go stop the threat , I'll wait for you morons to roll up in your Prius and see how that takes fire. That never happens right. Epic CGN



So you're saying, in your non-confrontational way, that doing a job where you know going in you just might get shot at it is an unacceptable risk when you get shot at?

Kind of like when working as a scaffolder one accepts the risk that you just might fall off something. Should they be given personal jetpacks at taxpayer expense?

Or are you just pushing more of the same that LEOs lives are so much more valuable than the plebs?

Genuinely curious.
 
Fair enough, but to me this is another one of those things that represents another gross over expenditure (in a long list). The occasions a vehicle like this is needed are far and few between..If it gets to a point where it's needed, call the army, it's probably a revolution and, we the people don't need tools like this used against us anyways.

Carbines sure, I was surprised they didn't have them already. I doubt it would have made much a difference in the Moncton senario as the role they would have played was grossly exaggerated.

I've said it many times, Canada is a VERY SAFE country. Our public safety budget is grossly bloated and needs a TON of fat tooken off. This is an easy place to cut funding aswell, the public just needs to see the RCMP propaganda and scare tactics for what it is. If we cut the RCMP/CBSA budgets by 90% noone would notice, aside from the nice surprise when we do our taxes! All the hard to employ D- students can find work in private industries instead, or perhaps the military, as we are falling short of our obligations in that regard. Alas, the sheep scare easily, that's why we are where we are at.

We should be utilizing a ton of bait vehicles, bait bikes, equipment ect. Police should focus strictly on getting thieves and violent offenders off the street. If someone broke into my house and stole my Xbox I'd expect the police to come take fingerprints and vigorously follow up. Yet they don't, it's not ###y or exciting work as driving around in tanks with all the latest gadgets snooping into everyday folks lives. Any down to earth good cop will say, "police work is not like in the movies", it's bland and monotonous going after thieves with occasional domestic assaults and violent offences. That's exactly how it should be, leave the military equipment to the army to use against foreign enemies or the occasional riot.

I've said it many times on there. The problem in Canada is the court system. We catch bad guys all the time, the courts won't keep them in jail.

These vehicles aren't ok to leave it on the army base and borrow when needed. Usually when these are needed, it's a right now situation. We all know how quick bureaucracy works. Then I'm assuming these aren't like a honda civic and are easy to drive. You need to be familiar with them, etc. They are a necessary evil. No not every detachment needs one. Not every municipality needs one. I'm pretty sure they're less common than some people even think they are. And are used more than people realize, at least for us. The times I know of, I never saw any articles in the news about it.

We can have all the bait vehicles etc that we want. The problem is this country is positively embarrassing in how we treat criminals. I could go catch the same guy every month, the courts just give them the revolving door treatment.

Slashing the budgets by 90%? You're in dream land. The RCMP is already the cheapest game in town, and the most understaffed, covering the largest areas. BUT if we could start talking, get someone to go into the RCMP budgets and start trimming the fat, there would be a significant amount of change that could be done, streamlining, just plain doing things smarter. It wouldn't cost less, but we surely could do things better. Bring in the two Bobs and start asking everyone "so what is it that you do here?" and cutting. My favourite example is why do we have police officers on the musical ride. Hire people who like horsies, pay the less, dress them up in pretty red serge and leave them in Ottawa for 20 years. Instead of moving police officers there for 2-4 years, paying them a police officer salary, spending 60,000$ for their move in and out of there.
Hire civilian members to do non policing jobs, like media relations, etc etc. This outfit has a supervisor or NCO for every 2 constables. That's insane.
Take the fly in spots and put them on mine schedules. Make larger hub detachments so you don't have 5 guys sitting in Kyle, Saskatchewan picking their noses while other detachments are run off their feet. Paying 10000$ a year to band aid fix houses that could be permanently solved with a 15000$ fix. There are literally thousands of things we could do that would both save money and give better service, but there's no will to make it happen. I could come up with ideas all day. Money is being wasted because it's thrown at the same problems over and over and over again, in an organization that historically does not like change or innovation.

But again, it rolls down to the public needs to call for a complete reform on the RCMP organizational issues, the court and jail system. It's positively amazing what taking 5-10 problems out of a community or reserve can do to stop crime, what waste being tethered to the treasury board is, etc.

Armoured vehicles are the last thing that should be raising questions with things in the policing and *ahem*, "Justice", systems in this country.
 
So you're saying, in your non-confrontational way, that doing a job where you know going in you just might get shot at it is an unacceptable risk when you get shot at?

Kind of like when working as a scaffolder one accepts the risk that you just might fall off something. Should they be given personal jetpacks at taxpayer expense?

Or are you just pushing more of the same that LEOs lives are so much more valuable than the plebs?

Genuinely curious.

That's an awesome comparison... oh and my non-confrontational way... is completely confrontational..because I really don't care.

Let's see, your scaffolding is an inanimate object which doesn't follow you around trying to kill you from 100 meters away. Yes there is risk in almost everything we do, it's about mitigating that risk, kinda like your scaffolding boss making it mandatory to wear hard hats and harnesses.

It has nothing to do with one person being more valuable or important than any other.

you're not genuinely curious... you're genuinely ignorant.
 
When you order, get it painted in your local public works vehicle colours; with a Caution: pesticides warning affixed. You will be able to park anywhere!
 
That's an awesome comparison... oh and my non-confrontational way... is completely confrontational..because I really don't care.

Let's see, your scaffolding is an inanimate object which doesn't follow you around trying to kill you from 100 meters away. Yes there is risk in almost everything we do, it's about mitigating that risk, kinda like your scaffolding boss making it mandatory to wear hard hats and harnesses.

It has nothing to do with one person being more valuable or important than any other.

you're not genuinely curious... you're genuinely ignorant.



You didn't address the core of my question to you.

Is there not implied risk in voluntarily taking a job where you get to open carry all day but maybe someone might, sometime, not likely but maybe, take a shot at you?

As for the scaffolding analogy yes they have safety equipment but they do not have military grade personal jetpacks made of unobtainium paid for by taxpayers. They take a certain amount of understood personal risk. Way more in fact than law enforcement statistically. Every day.

Your argument is hard to pin down here, are you saying all detachments should have these machines just because you are fearful? I don't get it.
 
You didn't address the core of my question to you.

Is there not implied risk in voluntarily taking a job where you get to open carry all day but maybe someone might, sometime, not likely but maybe, take a shot at you?

As for the scaffolding analogy yes they have safety equipment but they do not have military grade personal jetpacks made of unobtainium paid for by taxpayers. They take a certain amount of understood personal risk. Way more in fact than law enforcement statistically. Every day.

Your argument is hard to pin down here, are you saying all detachments should have these machines just because you are fearful? I don't get it.

You’re absolutely right... you don’t get it. And I certainly am not going to repeat over and over every time these threads come to life.
Enjoy your point of view. This topic has been beaten to death in numerous threads long before you showed up with your wisdom.
 
You’re absolutely right... you don’t get it. And I certainly am not going to repeat over and over every time these threads come to life.
Enjoy your point of view. This topic has been beaten to death in numerous threads long before you showed up with your wisdom.



So you really have nothing to contribute then...

Gotcha. It's hard for some people to articulate their views.
 
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