New Long Range construction started

Stay AWAY FROM ELECTRONIC TARGETS !!!!!

They NEVER work right, when you want them too.....

Lost a match at Garrison Edmonton, as we had to reshoot over 6 times as the range wasn't recognizing some of our shots.

The one time that it read correctly was the one time my shooting partner actually did drop a shot.
 
If the artefacts currently being used by the CF are all you are judging electronic targets by you are decades out of date.

The electronic ranges in Edmonton were junk when I first used them in the 90s.

Poor target pulling/scoring has cost me a number of matches.
 
Movers can easily be done with manpower and a proper butts system.
Just make sure when you install the target frames that you have a couple feet between the up target frame and the edge of the mantlet so that a man can walk a target on a stick through there.
 
tree mugger said:
I'll take human error over electronics any day.......
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I'm an e-target manufacturer, so I am far from unbiased. *BUT* the truth is, any system used has its flaws and features. It's not a matter of picking a perfect system (it doesn't exist), it's a matter of choosing an imperfect system that is acceptable, and more suitable for your purposes than the other imperfect systems available to you.

There are some errors that can happen with electronic targets that are very unlikely or even impossible to happen with manually-marked targets.

And vice versa. With manually-marked targets, even with the most honest and attentive and competent target markers, and with the best-designed procedures in place run by a butts officer who knows his stuff, there are ways in which a shooter can be done wrong. I've been on a Match Committee on which we were unable to give the shooter a remedy, and I (and presumably the rest of the Match Committee) think he was done wrong.

To leave e-targets and return to the main topic of this thread, I think what toofar2late has done is fantastic - this new 1600m range is really exciting news and I can't wait for them to be up and running. In fact, I'd love to visit it in person (he says, nervously checking the price of plane tickets from Fredericton to Edmonton, yikes....!)
 
rnbra-shooter said:
With manually-marked targets, even with the most honest and attentive and competent target markers, and with the best-designed procedures in place run by a butts officer who knows his stuff, there are ways in which a shooter can be done wrong. I've been on a Match Committee on which we were unable to give the shooter a remedy, and I (and presumably the rest of the Match Committee) think he was done wrong.
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It is sickening when a big event is tarnished by the controversy of an undeserving winner. :(

I think what toofar2late has done is fantastic - this new 1600m range is really exciting news and I can't wait for them to be up and running. In fact, I'd love to visit it in person
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Absolutely!!! We need more (and longer) ranges. You guys should think also about "subdividing" your range to include lesser ones (ranges) as well, so as to allow simultaneous use (provided you have the room). :)
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zupermann said:
rnbra-shooter said:
It is sickening when a big event is tarnished by the controversy of an undeserving winner. :(



Absolutely!!! We need more (and longer) ranges. You guys should think also about "subdividing" your range to include lesser ones (ranges) as well, so as to allow simultaneous use (provided you have the room). :)
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It is a start and will need a lot more work. Shooters will be happy if approved by CFO we will have a Short Range 25m to 50m to be run independently. A medium Range from 100m to 500m to be run independently and the long range out to 1600m to be also run independently. It may not all flow as planned but in the initial design it was the intent. Very difficult to manage with out making the site overly large. The pistol area ended up being much larger than planned due to additional borrow material required to elevate the shooting position so hope that will be a positive than a negative. The trap area will also require more work. As for the Target / Butt widths there is potential to expand down the road. What would be the magic width and number of Butts / Targets? At least we have a good start and a much better range than the existing one. As for covered shooting positions it is planned for next year as there is some major settling expected as the shooting position was raised over 20 feet.
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tree mugger said:
Stay AWAY FROM ELECTRONIC TARGETS !!!!!

They NEVER work right, when you want them too.....

Lost a match at Garrison Edmonton, as we had to reshoot over 6 times as the range wasn't recognizing some of our shots.

The one time that it read correctly was the one time my shooting partner actually did drop a shot.
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Thanks for the comments, were these older models or newer ones? It seams that the E-Targets although costly would save time and allow smaller groups to get more shooting done. I do agree some target holders need to be put in. But E-Targets look practical for a few shooters to get together for some practicing and could get in more shooting if one of us were not stuck in the butts. Matches are a hole different game as during a match we would have many more shooters to cycle through and would have extras for the Butts to man targets. Lets hope Tenguns will have some good info on design and will man the committee to get them put in.
 
Longshot said:
Movers can easily be done with manpower and a proper butts system.
Just make sure when you install the target frames that you have a couple feet between the up target frame and the edge of the mantlet so that a man can walk a target on a stick through there.
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Good point, we can do that to start with, and maybe we will have a larger group to pull from to put on matches and help out moving forward just would be nice to have something that would be automatic as not all the butts will allow for people power.
 
The ones in Edmonton were old technology when installed and they have been sitting outside for decades while being shown the lack of care that is the reason the military can't have nice things.
 
Max Owner said:
Oh yeah..............

Approved for restricted?
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Absolutely that is the plan. The pistol are turned out bigger than expected so it's around 50 x80 m. Never ran a tape but it will be close. Will have movable shooting positions, possibly build a town or pretty much do what ever the shooters set up as long as it meets regulations....
 
rnbra-shooter said:
I'm an e-target manufacturer, so I am far from unbiased. *BUT* the truth is, any system used has its flaws and features. It's not a matter of picking a perfect system (it doesn't exist), it's a matter of choosing an imperfect system that is acceptable, and more suitable for your purposes than the other imperfect systems available to you.

There are some errors that can happen with electronic targets that are very unlikely or even impossible to happen with manually-marked targets.

And vice versa. With manually-marked targets, even with the most honest and attentive and competent target markers, and with the best-designed procedures in place run by a butts officer who knows his stuff, there are ways in which a shooter can be done wrong. I've been on a Match Committee on which we were unable to give the shooter a remedy, and I (and presumably the rest of the Match Committee) think he was done wrong.

To leave e-targets and return to the main topic of this thread, I think what toofar2late has done is fantastic - this new 1600m range is really exciting news and I can't wait for them to be up and running. In fact, I'd love to visit it in person (he says, nervously checking the price of plane tickets from Fredericton to Edmonton, yikes....!)
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Thanks for all your information. We would like to plan a demo in the near future. I will confirm with my associate when He will have time to come out. We should plan shipping around that so we can get in some range time. Any one else interested in try out this new technology? Let me know and I will keep you posted on timing when we plan to set it up. Will most likely be on a weekend.... We are planing for July 1 to start firing rounds but will have more info once we get inspected by CFO.
 
Tenguns said:
Hey Ryan, Sean and I will be in Chilliwack on Wednesday night. Can we go to the range with you on Thursday when nobody is there to take some detailed pics and videos to bring back? This new range will be our new home, and I just really want to help out and make it work as good as possible.
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How did you make out with the Photos and video? All the earth moving is complete so its ready for some target holders...
 
Pulled this off another thread. Gives you an idea anyways. Will your 500m range have firing mounds every 100m? If so you could get a lot of service rifle business.
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Longshot said:
Pulled this off another thread. Gives you an idea anyways. Will your 500m range have firing mounds every 100m? If so you could get a lot of service rifle business.
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Looks like someone will have there work cut out for them. Where is this at? Has two target holders back to back? This looks top notch and concert would be great!! Looks costly so might take some time for us to regroup... It will be up to the members at this stage what needs improvement and priority hope some members are handy with a welder....

Yes and no the 500m has back stops every 100m it may be a bit narrow but I can not see why the service rifle folks could not run matches on both the 500m and the 1600m range at the same time as with the 15 back stops on the long range they may be able to be used as mounds but that will have to be determined on site when the service rifle folks come for a visit. It may turn out that only the long range will pan out the problem is that CFO wanted no ground to be visible and that is how the range has been set up. Hope service rifle will pan out it sounds like fun and would like to shoot a match.
 
To reasonably run service rifle, target trollies of some sort are almost mandatory..........It is quite labour intensive to run different backstops
 
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