NEW NR BLACK RIFLE - Maccabee Defense SLR
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I'm anxiously awaiting more information or a finished gun to see, that and a price point. Under 102 pricing and we're talking, more than that and it'll probably go on pile of neat but more than it's worth.
Probably just placating the gun owner crowd. Let's be honest here, if we don't feel threatened about losing our property, we aren't going to be saying SFA to the government. They know that.
This is like the holy grail of NR, market right and it will be every mans semi auto, and provide for high end tacticool AR wants too. It really is a game changer unless they nose dive.
I am interested but somehow I have a feeling it is gonna be:
1) much heavier compare to AR (edited: humm ok may be NOT then if can use AR parts...)
2) $2000+ price tag
Of course at this moment I know nothing about it so the above is all pure wild guess based on my imagination...
1) much heavier compare to AR (edited: humm ok may be NOT then if can use AR parts...)
2) $2000+ price tag
Of course at this moment I know nothing about it so the above is all pure wild guess based on my imagination...
I hope the manufacturer is reading this and reads the rest of CGN and more specifically the m10x fiasco and the BCL102 issues.
If you want to make a few dozen guns a year, than by all means, copy the Modern Varmint and its boutique price, and you too will be in the "sure, if i win the lotto" gun buying group.
You could try and jack the price ala m10x but realize that CGN is a knowledgeable group of guys...telling us it uses primarily ar15 parts tells us you can tap into the huge selection of affordable parts from US which would help keep the costs down. CGN is also fully aware the costs of materials, machining and hiding behind those excuses with a high price will not work.
Be what Modern Varmint could have been...the Canadian Rifle everyone is proud to own and more importantly can afford to own.
If NEA/BCL can manufacture 102s and sell for $1700 you shouldnt be too far off.
Dont try to make your rifle into some sort of DMR, precision barrel, precision chamber etc rifle. Give us the cheapest parts that are known to work and if people want to upgrade, let them...
Good luck and i hope you do well.
If you want to make a few dozen guns a year, than by all means, copy the Modern Varmint and its boutique price, and you too will be in the "sure, if i win the lotto" gun buying group.
You could try and jack the price ala m10x but realize that CGN is a knowledgeable group of guys...telling us it uses primarily ar15 parts tells us you can tap into the huge selection of affordable parts from US which would help keep the costs down. CGN is also fully aware the costs of materials, machining and hiding behind those excuses with a high price will not work.
Be what Modern Varmint could have been...the Canadian Rifle everyone is proud to own and more importantly can afford to own.
If NEA/BCL can manufacture 102s and sell for $1700 you shouldnt be too far off.
Dont try to make your rifle into some sort of DMR, precision barrel, precision chamber etc rifle. Give us the cheapest parts that are known to work and if people want to upgrade, let them...
Good luck and i hope you do well.
This , a good match grade barrel and 102 pricing or less . I was in Orlando and found Keltec RFBs in the shops from $1,395.00 to $1,425.00 . With tax almost $3,000.00 here and that's when our dollar was $1.04 on the USD . Willing to pay a little extra for the CDN NR tax but i'm not taking it up the azz and a little under 3 grand won't do it for me .
Very interested to see how this goes. I wonder if I should sell my modern varminter asap. This with the BCL have the potential of replacing the whole modern line. I hope they get professional advice and not just plaster DMR and match grade.
They could likely have multiple options of a high end rifle, low end rifle, and just a lower/upper combo +/- 18.5 inch barrel. I think starting off with multiple calibers is a mistake though. Stick with a couple popular calibres 223, 7.62x39 that will sell well and then can special orders for others.
They could likely have multiple options of a high end rifle, low end rifle, and just a lower/upper combo +/- 18.5 inch barrel. I think starting off with multiple calibers is a mistake though. Stick with a couple popular calibres 223, 7.62x39 that will sell well and then can special orders for others.
I've got noting more !
Is this the new NR rifle? It says "bolt action" 
http://www.maccabeedefense.com/inde...ion-rifle-308-223&catid=54&Itemid=346&lang=en
http://www.maccabeedefense.com/inde...ion-rifle-308-223&catid=54&Itemid=346&lang=en
Is this the new NR rifle? It says "bolt action"
http://www.maccabeedefense.com/inde...ion-rifle-308-223&catid=54&Itemid=346&lang=en
No it's not. Go to macdef_inc on Instagram for videos of it in action. I think the way they have it setup in the videos is ugly as sin but I'm hoping we will have options to build our own.
Anyone can afford a MV or MH, you may just need to save up a little longer, sell a couple other guns or stop wasting your money on things like cigarettes, alcohol or driving a gas guzzling jacked up pickup to drive back and forth to work in the city.
Not saying I expect or want these rifles to be priced like that but there is a lot more to the rifle ATRS is building than just the price. If you add up the price of the parts that go into it you're looking at $1000-$1500 just in the barrel and trigger alone. Then there is all the rest of the parts and the hand fitting of every rifle during assembly. Not sure about you but I don't want the guy assembling my rifle to be making minimum wage, I want a skilled and experienced guy assembling mine who also has good work ethic and is proud of what they are building, the other end of the spectrum is buying a Norinco or an NEA/BCL where you never know what's going to come out of the box when you get home.
I agree it's not really a practical rifle for every guy in Canada who wants a NR black rifle but you can afford it if you are willing to sacrifice a little or are capable of putting a couple hundred a month away to save up for one.
I agree with what you're saying though, affordable will sell volume, expensive will hurt sales and most people will make excuses and pass by.
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You realize "a good match grade barrel" is going to cost $500+ depending on the barrel? That doesn't leave much money to build the rest of the rifle unless you raise the price of the finished product.
I say skip anything that says "match" in it's description, then you and all the rest of the guys who think every rifle over $1000 should shoot sub moa can upgrade the barrel and trigger yourself and see why rifles that consistently shoot tiny groups usually cost so much more. I'm not sure how experienced you are but it also takes a lot more than a capable rifle to shoot sub moa. You need the right ammo and most importantly you need someone behind the rifle that is capable, shooting a semi auto consistently is not that easy. I'd wager that more than half the guys who bought a MH or MV who complain about it's accuracy need to look in a mirror to figure out why their rifle only shoots 2.5 moa.
The 102 is a good example of this, cheap rifle means cheap barrel which is why we are seeing groups of 1.5 to 4 moa from untouched rifles and sub moa from the guys who have swapped out the barrel and trigger.
Here's how to keep prices reasonable. I hope everyone is listening.
NO MORE PRE-ORDERS. If people would stop diving into paying for vaporware and waiting months for their rifle the prices would be lower. The manufacturers importers and retailers know we are desperate for quality NR rifles and they open these stupid pre-orders pricing high and a bunch of guys jump in there throwing handfuls of money at them to be the first guy with the latest and greatest which nine times out of ten turns out to be a disappointment. The price sticks till the rifle has been on the market for a while and the hype dies down. Then the price comes down slowly till they are selling again.
If we just sit back and wait for them to hit the shelves they'll try to entice us to buy with better prices. Time to get back in the drivers seat instead of letting them take us for the NR ride.
Did I miss something? Aren't we talking about a rifle based off a 223 sized action? So how would a 6.5cm fit in there?
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Another thing that I hope that this company does, or the distributer does, is come up with a FAQ sheet on their web page. This will help to eliminate the 1000s of questions that keep getting asked all the time over and over again by people too ####ing lazy to read the posts or do a search on this forum.
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