***NEW to Canada***TYPE 81 7.62X39 SERVICE RIFLE**TAKING PREORDERS**NON-RESTRICTED

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I sent them money, I expect updates. Otherwise I take my money back and they can fund this project some other way. Without customers to front the money for the pre-order, this wouldn't be happening.

I don't need to know when hand guards get added, or barrels pressed, or varnish applied. I do think it is reasonable to get more than some sort of "don't worry, everything is going as planned."

But I asked what is it that fuels this expectation? When you sent the money, did TI make any promises leading to expect these kinds of updates?

I'm not the only one that thinks so. The other thread is revealing people walking away from the pre-orders. Oddly enough, on a Sunday, the refunds have been processed by TI. So they are around.

If they gave a little more info, they'd have a little more money in their pocket to get things moving.

Well, imagine that. There they are, on a Sunday no less, giving refunds. Actually handing people their money back. You really believe that if they had an update to give, they'd still just prefer to sit silent and cancel orders instead? (and, btw... so you a source to confirm these refunds?) This tells me they meant what they said when they had no further info to give. Also, it's not as if they are trying to hold onto people's money, whether these arrive, on time or not, or even at all. People ask for a refund and promptly get one, on a Sunday no less. How's that a bad thing?
 
I'll eat my hat if this is the case.

No news is bad news for this rifle.

Yeh. I dunno. Like I hope they are on their way. I can't wait to get my hands on a T81 to see how it stacks up to the Polytech Legend. I just can't see any reason TI wouldn't shut us all up with a "GUESS WHAT BOYS, UR TOYS ARE EN ROUTE!" announcement.
 
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Why do businesses start pre-orders if they can't deliver as advertised or understand they are now in a contractual business relationship with their customers? If you expect customers to front the money to fund your business ventures, you better understand that the customers will want feedback.

Otherwise businesses should put up the funds themselves, keep quiet, and sell the product when they have it in hand, if they don't want to have to be accountable to their partners.

Very interesting interpretation. I don't entirely disagree, but still interesting none-the-less...

Also, I have to ask, are you still talking about TI? If so, how have they not "delivered as advertised"...?
 
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Yeh. I dunno. Like I hope they are on there way. I can't wait to get my hand on a T81 to see how it stacks up to the Polytech Legend. I just can't see any reason TI wouldn't shut us all up with a "GUESS WHAT BOYS, UR TOYS ARE EN ROUTE!" announcement.

Yes. I think that you are spot on.
 
Who says I haven't. Like I said, however, it is their forum. An open answer to all involved would be preferred. I'm not liking what I'm hearing more from outside TI than I am from them.

You on the pre-order?

Well, since you've provided no update to us, your co-partners in this business venture, on any communication efforts with our other partner, the vendor, and have been adamant thus far that the vendor should not only provide regular updates, but that they must here in this forum... why would anyone think you had?

I think that if you had called or emailed, you'd be regularly adding; "...and they don't even return phone calls or emails!" to your comments.
 
Your questioning my grasp of sarcasm? *Gasp. Unrealistic in what way? This thread is full of investors that are merely asking for some transparency in regards to progress and status. There hasn't been any form of update (except those pictures), since the beginning of Q2, now at the end of Q3 we know nothing new. You did investors a disservice by mimicking their reasonable questions with that asinine list, my response was appropriate.

Ah, yes... I see you are a subscriber to the fenceline interpretation; "partners", "investors", "the bank", "business venture", "contracts"...

TI is a vendor. You are the customer. TI offered a product, for a price, to be delivered at a certain date. You agreed and forked over the money. There is nothing to say at this point that the product will be late, so... again, I don't see the problem.

Now, if the product is late and TI is not forthcoming with reasonably detailed and timely updates, then you have a case to press. And I'll be right here pressing it with you. Until then, I think we all just need to relax a little...
 
Ah, yes... I see you are a subscriber to the fenceline interpretation; "partners", "investors", "the bank", "business venture", "contracts"...

TI is a vendor. You are the customer. TI offered a product, for a price, to be delivered at a certain date. You agreed and forked over the money. There is nothing to say at this point that the product will be late, so... again, I don't see the problem.

Now, if the product is late and TI is not forthcoming with reasonably detailed and timely updates, then you have a case to press. And I'll be right here pressing it with you. Until then, I think we all just need to relax a little...

Ok. Well, I consider Fenceline's position to be less of an interpretation and more of a reality. But sure, we've been going on for awhile and I doubt anyone wants to see it. Let's all relax a little. The end of Q3 will be here soon, let's wait and see what happens.
 
Ah, yes... I see you are a subscriber to the fenceline interpretation; "partners", "investors", "the bank", "business venture", "contracts"...

TI is a vendor. You are the customer. TI offered a product, for a price, to be delivered at a certain date. You agreed and forked over the money. There is nothing to say at this point that the product will be late, so... again, I don't see the problem.

Now, if the product is late and TI is not forthcoming with reasonably detailed and timely updates, then you have a case to press. And I'll be right here pressing it with you. Until then, I think we all just need to relax a little...

btw - TI provided an update on Aug 16 (#469), just a few weeks ago, stating that the shipment was still expected on time.
 
Ok. Well, I consider Fenceline's position to be less of an interpretation and more of a reality. But sure, we've been going on for awhile and I doubt anyone wants to see it. Let's all relax a little. The end of Q3 will be here soon, let's wait and see what happens.

There you go! Might as save up some energy. Either they'll be late, and you'll need it for all the screaming (in anger), or they'll be on time, and you'll need it for all the screaming (of joy)...
 
Why do businesses start pre-orders if they can't deliver as advertised or understand they are now in a contractual business relationship with their customers? If you expect customers to front the money to fund your business ventures, you better understand that the customers will want feedback.

Otherwise businesses should put up the funds themselves, keep quiet, and sell the product when they have it in hand, if they don't want to have to be accountable to their partners.

It's everyone's personal choice to get involved in a pre order. Nobody is forcing you. You knew the terms, you agreed to them. Was there ever a firm date in the contractual business relationship with your partners?

Don't get into a contractual business relationship if you don't like the terms!!!
 
It's everyone's personal choice to get involved in a pre order. Nobody is forcing you. You knew the terms, you agreed to them. Was there ever a firm date in the contractual business relationship with your partners?

Don't get into a contractual business relationship if you don't like the terms!!!

Yes. Never ask questions of your business partners.
 
Ah, yes... I see you are a subscriber to the fenceline interpretation; "partners", "investors", "the bank", "business venture", "contracts"...

TI is a vendor. You are the customer. TI offered a product, for a price, to be delivered at a certain date. You agreed and forked over the money. There is nothing to say at this point that the product will be late, so... again, I don't see the problem.

Now, if the product is late and TI is not forthcoming with reasonably detailed and timely updates, then you have a case to press. And I'll be right here pressing it with you. Until then, I think we all just need to relax a little...

They have my money. I can press any case I want on those terms until they deliver. If I'm not satisfied at any point I can withdraw my money and end the relationship I have in this deal.

Until then I can ask for updates specific to my purchase.

I wonder how many people saying updates aren't needed until the end of Q3 passes actually have money in this preorder. Bad Lieutenant? You in?
 
what have you been hearing????? and wheres that guy who was giving all the "supposed" information that his brother or cousin worked in the factory where the type 81s are being made?

Rumours. But from sources I belive credible. In short, they lead me to believe Q3 isn't likely.

Hence why I've asked specific questions to TI. Rather than spread rumours I'd like TI to verify what their actual position is.

I've posted my questions. I'm out until TI cares to answer.
 
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^^^^^ Absolutely thx for asking hope we get a reply....i say will say one thimg that if i dont got my rifle in hand by end of Q4 I'm asking for a refund.....ill just get one years later or never.....they promised delivery in Q3 but that might now happen......ill give them till end of December that it.....i guess i loose out oh well

Hey fenceline weren't you saying a few pages back that you are into a pre order for 3 times the cost of this and it has taken 3 years? And it's still in limbo? What firearm is this? And why hanent you pulled out yet lol? Just asking ��
 
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Yes. Never ask questions of your business partners.

More accurate to what I said would be - "ask the questions first" and if you don't like the terms, don't enter into the "partnership"

Anyways, have at it, guys. I'm not affiliated with TI, but it seems they are doing their best to bring a new, cool gun to Canada. :)
 
^^^^^ Absolutely thx for asking hope we get a reply....i say will say one thimg that if i dont got my rifle in hand by end of Q4 I'm asking for a refund.....ill just get one years later or never.....they promised delivery in Q3 but that might now happen......ill give them till end of December that it.....i guess i loose out oh well

Hey fenceline weren't you saying a few pages back that you are into a pre order for 3 times the cost of this and it has taken 3 years? And it's still in limbo? What firearm is this? And why hanent you pulled out yet lol? Just asking ��

The rpd. I know where the gun is, I know what the hold up is, and the retailer has kept me informed. I ask them questions and they answer. Hell if I wanted to make the trip I could shoot it. The only hold up is the lab. Once that clears I'm sure the retailer will update me on every step of the transit and shipping if I ask.
 
CAD-spec rifle is exclusive to poly. Poly is exclusive to us.

We were told a date by the manufacturer, but by saying Q3 we have some leeway in case of delays. It is not a guarantee however production is already booked, they have their deposit and we are in the midst of making arrangements to visit the factory to inspect the shipment.

Prices are locked in. Famae 542 mags were offered at cost pricing for all famae pre-order customers. Only those that did not pre-order were charged mag prices with a small margin

According to this post from TI, although not guaranteed, Q3 was suggested to account for delays. This would lead me to believe that the manufacture has indeed not met their delivery date given to TI. With that said, it would appear that we are nearing the end of their announced buffer zone that was put in place to account for delays. I think it's pretty fair for those of us who dished out the cash to start raising questions on delivery times.
 
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