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And you find one other country invading their neighbor, annexing territories and killing civilians in the process.
Definitely it is bad for Ukraine on the world stage to have some official groups demonstrating Nazy-like symbols and honestly, I never supported that. Russia makes a big hype out of it and uses it in their propaganda. But besides signage and words, how far Azov really goes with doing real things except of defending their own country against Russia? Is their ultimate goal to enslave Europe or Russia, burn down cities, build concentration camps for Jews and other ethnicities? I've been to many parts of Ukraine a few times for past 10 years and had no issues speaking Russian language (although I can speak Ukrainian too), never seen Nazy groups marching down the street with Hitler portraits or Nazy flags hanging on buildings. That being said, I cannot recognize Ukraine as a true Nazy country or doing any atrocities which may warrant full scale invasion of Russians leveling down whole cities along the way. That is a story created for Russians living in Russia, however some folks on this continent fall for it as well. The sad part - those destroyed cities are on eastern side where pro-Russian folks were living, while those western side "Nazy" remain mostly unaffected. By the logic of some folks here - anyhow this invasion of Russians still makes sense all because of those pesky Nazis.
Bandera is of course a controversial person. He was against Soviets having Ukraine a part of their country, but he never was a friend to Hitler either (he has been jailed by Gestapo for his political views). He just was trying to use Hitler to achieve his own goals, like independent Ukraine and at some point was thinking Hitler would help with that. Also, keep in mind, Hitler was not proclaimed a war criminal until 1945 and even Germans were not aware of concentration camps up until then. JFK was openly admiring Hitler and then ashamed of that. Just like today folks admiring Putin thinking he is on the right side of history, although more and more he repeats Hitler's steps. Who knows, may be in a few years putinism will be new synonym to fascism. And eventually all those kovals, kdx, czshotters will stop using every opportunity to cheer Putin in a fear to be in trouble, although they have already have their bad mark on internet for a long time ahead.
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CZ Shooter
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I remember you now...you are the guy who couldn't tell the difference between 180 and 360 degrees in our last debate.
But to your credit, you have at least learned the significance of paraghraphs.
I however respectfully decline your history lessons.
As far as yout first paragraph, just look at all of the invasions under false pretexts perpetrated by non other, than the US.
Just the invasion of Iraq under the pretense of WMD's is responsible for over 1.5 million dead and misplaced Iraqi civilians.
They create conflicts all over the world (always to their benefit of course).
The Russian conflict is no different, as this was the plan when the US government supported a violent coup, in which a democratically elected president of Ukraine was overthrown...
The stage was set to pull Russia into a war with Ukraine with the intention of weakening Russia.
Shortly after that, the Neo-Nazi death squads were dispatched to Eastern Ukraine to hunt down and kill the members of the Russian speaking minority (of course with the full support of the US government, as they were flooding cash, equipment and "military consultants" to prepare for the inevitable).
The Russians had made a mistake back then for not going in right away, as over 14 000 were murdered by Ukrainian war criminals, such as Azov or Kraken.
Putin had bought into the Minsk 2 ceasefire agreement, of which both France and Germany were the guarantors.
However in recent interviews both Petro Porosenko (Ukrainian president after the coup) and Angela Merkel (German chancellor at the time) revealed, that they had no intention of ever honouring these agreements.
They said, that they just needed to buy time for the Ukrainian army to be re-built and re-trained against Russia.
Read and then re-read that last sentence again and think about it for a bit.
They knew, that with their actions they left Russia no choice but to go in at some point in the near future.
What is happening now is the inevitable conclusion of what happened in 2014.
And someone accused me of taking a yellow and blue pill, but Reagan would be rolling over in his grave how many people are swallowing ex-KGB swill hook, line, and sinker and are happy to see someone attempt to re-create the Soviet Union. I am Canadian, my ancestry is Ukrainian, and I know like the forced starvation genocide of Ukranians by the Soviets of the Holodomr, the Russian invasion is evil and wrong. So keep shouting the Orc's warcries all you want, Ukraine will again be free!
Have the Russians found the mass graves of the 14,000 civilians supposedly murdered by Azov or Kraken batallions? Has Zelensky emptied his prisons to strengthen his army? Has Ukraine used incendiary bombs yet? Has Russia ever acknowledged the Holodimir famine imposed on Ukraine by Stalin in the 30s? Has Ukraine ever invaded and occupied neighboring countries in the last 100 years?
A few questions no one seems able to answer with facts, and we know why. Slava Ukraini.
I very rarely post on cgn for last few years and try avoid arguing with folks of the different political views because it's a waste of time. None of the opponents will be convinced or change sides in these useless conversations. So I was not participating in whatever 180/360 degree debates either.
I was never supporting USA igniting conflicts and in general against any war. And no one put a gun against Putin's head to force him to invade Ukraine. It was him who commanded it and started the war. If you believe it was a trap setup by US and Putin fell in - even less respect for him, since he is a stupid politician in addition to all other bad names. Yes, USA across the pond has won political game in Ukraine, while Putin just being few hundred kms from Kiev and all his KGB dept was not able to establish pro-Russian govt there in somewhat peaceful way. Because he's lost that game - the war remained the last resort option and he went on. He might opt it out. Would be better for everyone.
CZ Shooter
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Again...you had been brainwashed.
The whole Russia was starving...Kazachstan actually got the worst of it.
As far as your Soviet Union refferences, you have absolutelly no idea what you speak of.
As for your last sentence, you will likely be very dissapointed to find out, that Ukraine will be indeed free...but not the way you think.
CZ Shooter
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These people were killed all over Eastern Ukraine but rarely through mass executions.
It was mostly done by shelling civilian areas, sniping, kidnapping and torture.
The victims are scattered all over the place (including women and children), but the MSM would not talk about any of it.
Russia was pointing it out for 8 long years, but it was of course dismissed as Russian propaganda by the western fake news outlets and politicians.
Yes Zelensky had cut lose many dangerous criminals providing they go to the front...not sure how empty or full his jails are, since there is no freedom of press in Ukraine.
Only the official propaganda is allowed.
You are projecting your misinformed feelings into a situation, which you do not understand.
You likely never bothered to watch "Ukraine on Fire", so here you are spewing nonsense and propagating the equivalent of a Nazi salute by saying things like "Slava Ukraini", which became the equivalent of Seig Heil, as the Ukro-Nazi war criminals had used it in that context when murdering thousdands of Poles and Jews back then.
Look it up...seriously.
You should be ashamed saying this stuff...unless of course you approve of what the Banderites were doing back then.
Yes..the same Banderites that are being celebrated in Ukraine today.
CZ Shooter
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I'm was pretty sure that was you back then, as I kind of remember the "serg" part of your user name, but no point in arguing that one as that thread is long burried somewhere and I don't feel like digging it up.
If I'm mistaking and there is indeed another poster here with similar user name and rhetoric then I truly do appologize, as I don't mind admitting if I had made a mistake.
Ok...let's try this from the other end by using a reverse analogy based question:
If Russia helped overthrow a government of Mexico and was flowing in money and military equipment like on a conveyor belt to their new puppet government (which is openly hostile to the US and any US alligned English speakers living in Mexico)...
Do you think, that the US government, whom has no issues with invading countries half way across the world under false pretexts would be just standing there and looking at what is going on south of their own border without any interference??
Remember, this is the same country who threatened to start WW3 over Soviet missiles being placed in Cuba, which was meant as a response to the US placing their nukes in Turkey back in the 60's.
If you answer this question honestly, you will realize that no superpower will tolerate a hostile regime on their door step for very long...especially one that is financed and equipped by the enemy.
The US is of course well aware of this...that is why they got so involved with Ukraine in the first place (this is no coincidence)
They wanted Russia to come in and they were ready for them...so they thought anyway.
the pro-stalin and putin apologists will never accept and admit the holodomor disaster/ holocaust and what they did that striked the ukrainian population.
CZ Shooter
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And the MSM brainwashed drones will never bother doing their own research, after which they would realize that the holodomor had affected the whole of Russia, while the worst hit region was Kazachstan, followed by Ukraine.
This narrative that Ukraine was somehow deliberatelly singled out was pushed by the West and was one of the catalyst events, which led to the rise of war criminals such as Stephan Bandera or Roman Sukhievich...figures still celebrated by brainwashed Ukrainians (mostly in western Ukraine) till this day.
It wont be free. It will be thrown to the side like a cheap uhh...### worker that she is, after US is done with it. The country will be left in ruin, economically damage, with millions displaced and all promises to rebuild withdrawn. The ukranian people will be left poor and abandoned by the west, zelensky will be laughing on a beach somewhere.
"Ukraine is that girl who is ready to take from as many and at any time"
-zelensky joking about his own country when he was a comedian
To be fair, you should say starvation of Soviets by the Soviets, since Ukrainians were not only ones who perished, but also Russians, Tatars and Kazakhs. But it sounds like it does not fit your agenda.
CZ Shooter
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I fail to see why you are bringing in something from the Ottoman empire into a discussion about Ukraine??
The Turks were deffinitelly on the wrong side of history in more ways than just one and I will not defend them.
You are however a perfect candidate to watch "Ukraine on Fire", for which I left a link in one of my earlier posts.
Think of it as a collage of verifiable historical facts, along with screen shots of de-classified doccuments and videos of events leading up to the 2014 Maidan coup.
Only then you can have at least basic understanding about the Ukraine's Nazi-worshipping past and how it translates into the current events which are now unfolding.
Ed, we will see soon enough where all the strange world events we have witnessed in the last few years, combined with the latest twists and turns is all heading.... it's not like the conflict in Ukraine is the only thing happening right now. There is talk about investigating the intelligence agencies in the US now that the House has shifted to the Republicans. It's interesting to hear the left defend the CIA and suggest that the far right is unpatriotic in their insistence that the CIA not be above the law... everything has been inverted. I would not be surprised if we see a major world event in the near future to deflect attention away from that subject.
I like your CGN Avatar about fake news, it's a sad reality that our publicly funded media in Canada is so biased and more about indoctrination and propaganda then following the facts and evidence, how ever uncomfortable that might be.
We are being told by MSM and certain politicians that the new MRNA products are beyond reproach and that the Russians not only stole Hillary's Elections but now want to take over the world and recreate the USSR for one man's ego.... meanwhile there is a demented old man in the White house who's has a record of shady deals in Ukraine involving his crack head son (the smartest man he's ever known according to Joe).
The same people that support and promote your position on Ukraine are now suggesting that the top secret files Joe took illegally when he was Vice President, was likely just a simple mistake or misunderstanding and no big deal.... yet I seem to recall a very different narrative in the other direction and that was towards someone who was not the VP and actually had the power of a US president to declassify top secret documents.
We are living in a clown world right now, but there is nothing funny about what is happening in the Ukraine, the peace deal was on the table a year ago but the People funding all of this destruction were not interested in peace.
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The Holocaust killed Roma, Slav, and LGTBQIA2S+ people, but that doesn't change the fact it was primarily directed against and killed many, many times more Jewish people. The Holodomor may have killed other Soviet ruled people, but it was directed against and most of its victims were Ukrainian. And you want to see a new Russo/Soviet/Fascist empire restored, second in history to only the Nazis in the scope of their evil? The KGB/FSB/GRU minds who planned the mass indoctrination of North American fifth columnists/sympathizers must be extremely happy to have succeed so well!
One one hand we are told that the Russian army will lose the war against the mighty Ukraine, and in the next breath we are told the Russians seek to build a new Soviet empire and are an existential threat to the free world... something doesn't add up?
They can control US elections, but they can't even implement Holodomor 2.0 and flatten the Ukraine from a distance? It's almost as if they don't really want to wipe Ukraine from the map... or at least they didn't last year.
Shock and Awe, wipe out the entire infrastructure in the first week and get contracts to rebuild later is how the civilized west does it, the Orc's are so blood thirsty they prefer to suffer along with their enemies and prolong things I suppose.... blowing up their own pipeline was a real game changer.
Shock and Awe in reverse.
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