nightforce alternative???

alberta tactical rifle said:
The Leupold MK 4 will come close in overall quality, but 25 power is max at this time. Also Leupold does not match their reticles with their turrets, so you are stuck with a mil graduated reticle and 1/4 moa turrets. This does not bother some, but it really annoys me.
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With either mil dot or TMR reticle, you can adjust the power (therefore reticle subtension) to have the Mil reticle read in MOA. For example, my TMR reticle is calibrated to accurately read in Mils at 14x (BTW, where 1 mil = 3.438 MOA). By adjusting the power down (read: increasing subtension, calibrated at 95 yards) to about 13x, 1 MIL = 4 MOA. With a TMR Reticle set at 13x, this gives me reticles hash marks every 2 MOA. This synchronizes the MOA turrets to a MOA reticle. TMR works Best. Simple.

This would also work for the Leupold 6.5-20 and 8.5-25, but I am not sure of the power setting for 1 Mil = 4 MOA.
 
peterdobson said:
We dropped IOR because they break at a ratio of about 100 to 1 compared to Nightforce. Yes, 100 to 1, not 100% and we have files. And when they break they might not fix them as in the case of a new 4-28X56 which we sold to Eg Begg, V-Bull Precision, which was returned to IOR, unused, only to be advised that it was abused! These scopes were well-publicized as faulty and was the final straw. We sent Ted Gaillard's scope back many months ago and it was returned, unopened and now another dealer is trying to have them fix it. It takes well over 300 days for them to repair and return. Another owner finally got his scope back after waiting a year or so and the reticle was crooked!

We do, however, have some IORs for sale at cost. For warranty, good luck.

It is withing the realm of possibilty that Nightforce is better-built than IOR. Strangely, Nightforce is kicking serious butt in the market place and we have almost no complaints, so we welcome this amusing thread.

Kindly,

Peter Dobson
ex-IOR dealer
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I'll have to tease Ted about that when I see him next. On the otherhand, I'd hate to see the little guy have a heart attack.:D One thing about T.G., you can count on him to say exactly what he thinks.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
The Leupold MK 4 will come close in overall quality, but 25 power is max at this time. Also Leupold does not match their reticles with their turrets, so you are stuck with a mil graduated reticle and 1/4 moa turrets. This does not bother some, but it really annoys me.
The new Vortex Razor HD has great glass but few reticles, and the 1s i have handled did not have as positive clicks as the NF does, they are a bit more $$ than the NF by a few hundred $$.

Have you considered that there may be something defective with your particular NF scope?
I have several 8x32s in my personal collection and have not found the problems you are experiencing other than the no markings on the parallax knob, which means nothing to me.
It may be worth having the NF warranty guys check it for problems. We see extremely few NF scopes that have any problems, but that does not say they do not exist.
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Thanks for the information. I will defiantly look into the leupold. I have never herd of the vortex razor HD but i will look into that as well.

I am considering sending my NF in for warranty but the thing is that i seem to have the same problems with my friends NF. So i'm wondering if it's just my scope or if they just dont have enough adjustment for my eye But then again they don't seem to work well for ether of my friends so is it my eye or the scope??

all i know is that i want something that is easier to adjust next time so i will not buy another NF i will find something that works more to my liking.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
So what you are admitting to is you illegally imported a ITAR controlled item (scope).
Then #####ing because a dealer may not have jumped to your rescue when you allegedly had a problem. The way you continually slam dealers and brag about your illegal imports and exports I guess it is no wonder.
I can NOT think of ANY NF dealer that would refuse to assist you in getting warranty, so lets be honest here , WHO did you approach to help you with your alleged warranty problem???
I have serious doubts that P&D, TSE, Hirsch or Corelanes would not have helped you and I KNOW you did not contact me, and that is about it for Authorized NF dealers in Canada.
Some meat with this gravy would be nice.
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I did buy it from the state and did pay the Canadian border, like most, I din't slam any dealer other that You, Because you seem to Invented slamming, also I won't point any FInger to who help me out, but thank you Rick. beside there are my dealer out there: and You not the only. Funny How you trying to get info"WHO did you approach to help you with your alleged warranty problem???" I find that Odd, but I know and you know, Sometime you do a good jobs, some time not, Oh well...
Oh I did bough scope at TSE in the pass and will in the future.

Good Try!, Hahaha...
 
Nightforce doesn't have the side parallax labelled because it is not needed.
Having the parallax labelled in 'yards' or whatnot is pointless. When you are shooting multiple targets and holding over/under, you don't have time to check what yardage you should be at. You twist the knob quickly until the picture is clear. It takes 0.5 seconds to do.
Furthermore, I've had other scopes which told me to be on "xx" yardage, and the picture was blurry.
I personally like my NF side parallax and how it doesn't tell me what I should be on. I hate being told what to do :D
 
pazzo said:
Nightforce doesn't have the side parallax labelled because it is not needed.
Having the parallax labelled in 'yards' or whatnot is pointless. When you are shooting multiple targets and holding over/under, you don't have time to check what yardage you should be at. You twist the knob quickly until the picture is clear. It takes 0.5 seconds to do.
Furthermore, I've had other scopes which told me to be on "xx" yardage, and the picture was blurry.
I personally like my NF side parallax and how it doesn't tell me what I should be on. I hate being told what to do :D
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Indeed. I remember when I first got my 6500 Elite... Playing with the side-parallax adjustment knob in my hotel room. After getting her nice and sharp in the hotel room in Edmonton (all of twenty-feet long), I looked at the labelling... Apparently, I was "in focus" for fourty-some odd yards. :rolleyes:

P.S. I enjoy my 6500 Elite, although I'm starting to regret not having spent the coin on a Leupy.
 
Dogleg said:
I'll have to tease Ted about that when I see him next. On the otherhand, I'd hate to see the little guy have a heart attack.:D One thing about T.G., you can count on him to say exactly what he thinks.
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Yeah,, I wouldn't have wanted to handle that phone call LOL
 
I found this an interesting thread - I have a NF NXS 8x32x56, an Elite 6500 4.5x30x50 and an Elite 4200 6x24x50 and as much as I am a fan of the Elite series the ones I have are really not in the same class as the NF. If I was rating on a dollar-value scale I would put the 4200 at the top but on pure quality ( and by that I mean clear image and repeatable controls/settings ) the NF is the superior scope. Is my NF worth twice the price of the 6500 ? Only buyers can make that assessment.
 
Just checked our substantial IOR warranty file and pussycat-Ted's 6-24 scope was originally sent to IOR for warranty repair 1 May 2009. Of course Ted is a patient guy and we're still under a year. Nothing to complain about. No doubt he'll send me his best barrel!

Regards,

Peter
 
Sniperparadise reviewed the IOR and they put it right up there with the USO and S&B for toughness and clarity. Every scopes have issue. I sent my Zeizz scope south of the boarder for warr service about 5 weeks ago. Lets see how long it will take to repair.
 
peterdobson said:
Just checked our substantial IOR warranty file and pussycat-Ted's 6-24 scope was originally sent to IOR for warranty repair 1 May 2009. Of course Ted is a patient guy and we're still under a year. Nothing to complain about. No doubt he'll send me his best barrel!

Regards,

Peter
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I think we have his best dozen barrels locked in, #thirteen shouldn't be unlucky?
 
I din't think USO was that Great of a level to compare with S&B, any way that I why I got rid of both USO. Otherwise I would keep one of them for sure, Can wait to try out the Premier reticle something in 5-25X56mm in a P4F reticles...
 
Scopes are like some women,, some look good, feel good, not worth the money, some just don't work. But usually there is someone out there who likes them, and like pay more than what they are worth . LOL
 
If that were the case Noneck180, I keep all of my women, and get new one all the time, but keep them all...
 
peterdobson said:
I think Sightron are the best, less expensive alternative to NF. Watch this forum for developments.

Peter
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I agree but they are still NOT a Nightforce in many respects.
The lacking of reticles that are in the same unit of measure as the turrets and the less positive turret clicks are the most noticeable differences.

I think the Sightrons are a big step up from the 6500s but still a step or 2 down from the NF scopes, which is to be expected as the Sightrons are a fair bit less $$$
 
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