no moose hunting in area 5 in BC

The we I am talking about are sensible hunters that are trying to make a difference by reasonable means, not egging them on so someone can get hurt and then run to the RCMP who have shown in the past that they are not either allowed or do not have the will to prosecute the terrorists as you put it.We are an organization that is clearly doing something for our fellow hunters in a proactive manner , not just running out there on opening day of hunting season and see if we can stir up some s**t, it will be too late then for lots of folks that have been drawn for tags. I do not think you get it that in situations like this the RCMP have done nothing more than turn back the hunters in I am sure an effort to prevent injuries.
Anyways I need to spend more time dealing with this crisis, than arguing with another hunter, the time might come where we need to take a more confrontational stand, then so be it

so you have more faith in what ? then you do in the RCMP's commitment to pursue perpetrators of assault and utterers of threat?
Are you saying you do not believe provincial wildlife experts are capable of allocating harvest quotas and you do not believe our justice system will protect the innocent from violence? Yet you some how believe playing the 'petitions' and MLA letter game will rate results ?LOL

Not going hunting because you are afraid someone will assault you is pretty sad. I love my teeth and stunningly handsome romanesque nose but I'd gladly give either for a ghandiesque video taped assault that sent some of these grossly misled and manipulated terrorists to the healing circle for a couple years. Been punched for far less important reasons. (and yet still the ladies flock)

The same people that are perpetrating this BS are the men and women responsible for the travisties of existence that so many of the 'common' women and children on reserve are facing why you would pander to them instead of demanding our institutions be respected is pathetic. Ugly ugly ugly bussiness.

Good luck with your petition I am sure you will fit right in with the free muffin crowd, if your lucky you might even get a drum beat for you to make you feel better about legitimizing the theft. Been there done that, the shame and dirtiness lingers.
 
Received this from the BCWF today:
The expectation is moose experts provide research and that their recommendations are not overridden by politics.

Someone please tell me they are talking about the experts providing 2011/2012 inventory data not being overridden by the politics of natives denying residents their legal right to hunt??!! This letter seems to be putting blame on wolves and the MoE for low moose numbers and sidestepping several other important issues.

Thank you jay for being articulate.
Just doing my part for conservation. :D Besides, I thought you were going to throw an embolism tonight and leave me carrying both halves of the sheep this fall! :p

lyktohunt - when this petition is ready will it be announced here or will I get an email from the BCWF (which is who I'm assuming 'we' is :wave:)
 
throw an embolism

Yeah it was close (gentically prone to stroke) but I spent the last hour with my finnish whore and she assures me that that no matter what foolishness the masses allow to be perpetrated in this province her and I will always find venison together. Being great really insulates us from the petty antics of the mediocre. Heck even if there is no hunting left to do, what is a guy with a young hot wife and a slim finnish whore of a girlfriend, gonna complain about? Send one to the sobeys for beef and fondle the other.

Not to worry I will be lugging 3/4s so that you can keep your wind down enough to kill the caribou, goat, elk and moose on the way out.

Mental note, filed in IDGAF
 
so you have more faith in what ? then you do in the RCMP's commitment to pursue perpetrators of assault and utterers of threat?
Are you saying you do not believe provincial wildlife experts are capable of allocating harvest quotas and you do not believe our justice system will protect the innocent from violence? Yet you some how believe playing the 'petitions' and MLA letter game will rate results ?LOL

Not going hunting because you are afraid someone will assault you is pretty sad. I love my teeth and stunningly handsome romanesque nose but I'd gladly give either for a ghandiesque video taped assault that sent some of these grossly misled and manipulated terrorists to the healing circle for a couple years. Been punched for far less important reasons. (and yet still the ladies flock)

The same people that are perpetrating this BS are the men and women responsible for the travisties of existence that so many of the 'common' women and children on reserve are facing why you would pander to them instead of demanding our institutions be respected is pathetic. Ugly ugly ugly bussiness.

Good luck with your petition I am sure you will fit right in with the free muffin crowd, if your lucky you might even get a drum beat for you to make you feel better about legitimizing the theft. Been there done that, the shame and dirtiness lingers.
Well you are correct on at least of statements, I do not have faith in the RCMP making this a positive outcome for legal hunters as has been proven before in similar situations.
If our provincial government tells me there is enough moose, I will go hunting and maybe end up with less teeth.
If insulting me and others that are trying to at least do something instead of just blabbing and hurling insults makes you feel good ,than you go girl.
Like someone else posted "united we stand " we could use some of that
 
Dear Kyle,

The Tl'etinqox-t'in have announced a no-hunting area for the Anaham Range, except for Tsilhqot'in hunters and Tl'etinqox-t'in members who have guide operations. The rationale for this announcement is low moose populations.

Recent inventory (2011/12) has shown significant declines in parts of Regions 5, 6 and 7a. Many of these declines are associated with large-scale salvage logging for mountain pine beetle. There has been a significant increase in wolf populations in all of these areas according to First Nations, trappers, outfitters, resident hunters, and other outdoor users. The Province has put together a task force to deal with the declines in moose populations.

While unfortunate, this decline in moose demonstrates the reality of budget cuts and funding shortfalls for wildlife management in British Columbia. Basic management functions are on life support and have been for more than a decade. Creating healthy and abundant wildlife populations collaboratively rather than fighting over what remains should be the approach taken by all parties.

As a resident hunter, you can drive positive change by contacting your local MLA. A face to face meeting is best, followed by letters and emails. Make sure you request a reply. Remember, your MLA works for you. There are two issues that need to be addressed:

The hierarchy for allocation of fish and wildlife harvest is:

1) Conservation
2) First Nations needs for food, social and ceremonial purposes
3) Resident Hunter
4) Non-Resident Hunter (guide-outfitter operations)

1. If there is sufficient moose to allow a harvest after conservation and First Nations needs are met, will government ensure resident hunters have the opportunity to hunt in all crown land areas where a harvestable surplus exists?

2. How much money is going to be committed to moose recovery and what is the timeframe?

Government has treated fishing and hunting in British Columbia as a cash cow for decades with little to no investment in the future. When you manage businesses in this manner, failure is the predictable outcome.

In many of these areas moose have generally been declining since the late 70s/early 80s. Moose recovery in these areas needs to be well funded (millions of dollars) and on the ground efforts need to start in 2013. The expectation is moose experts provide research and that their recommendations are not overridden by politics. The over-arching goal is to establish moose populations which are consistent with levels seen in the early 80s when healthy and abundant moose populations existed.

Contact your MLA and ensure they support and adequately fund science-based fish and wildlife management in British Columbia. The declines in moose are only a symptom of a much bigger problem which affects all wildlife.

If you have any questions, please contact BCWF Wildlife Committee Chair, Wilf Pfleiderer - wilfp@telus.net or Vice Chair Jesse Zeman - jessezeman@shaw.ca. The BCWF will provide updates as this situation continues to evolve.

In Conservation,
Bill Bosch
President, BC Wildlife Federation
 
The letter from the BC Wildlife Federation gives no help, or solution, to the problem in region 5, whatsoever.
What they state is that moose are low in numbers, due to over logging of bug kille timber.
Wolves are plentiful.
The government has been strapped for funds,for at least ten years, thus have been unable to make accurate assessments of game populations, or set sustainable hunting regulations.
They make it plain that regulations are set with the following priorities:
1) Conseravation.
2) Native needs.
3) Resident hunters needs.
4) Guides needs.

Oh yes, they do say what we should do about it. Contact your MLA and ask that more funds be given to the Conservation Department for game management!
 
Ok, I opened my LEH paper, took off my socks and did some quick addition. There could be 1000 moose tags let in 5-12, 5-13, 5-14 which seems to be the area affected. Thats a big pile of residents that are being threatened with having their rights denied.
As stated by the BCWF, natives get first rights to wildlife after conservation, THEN residents, THEN non-residents. Apparently the government thinks that there are ~1000 surplus moose beyond what is required to perpetuate the species in those MUs and maintain food and ceremonial needs for the local tribe. Closing the area to residents but continuing to guide hunts is a double no no and would clearly expose the tribe as not being the caretakers they are portraying themselves to be.

Wait and see I guess, but this could quickly turn into a case of "your rights: use them or lose them" for residents.

A good friend of mines daughter just married an FN man that apparentley can hunt what ever he wants any where in BC when ever he wants, and no limit to what he takes. He belongs to a band that supposedly has these rights!!

He has taken buffalo, ek, moose etc just in the last year, he does not live on any reservation. If this is true and really allowed, it is complete crap. What makes them so special!!
 
Interesting. I've never heard a rule that FN people were allowed first Dibs as per say for any wild animal. Is this actually something provincial fish and game looks at. Or is this just made up bs. I'm leaning towards bs?
 
Interesting. I've never heard a rule that FN people were allowed first Dibs as per say for any wild animal. Is this actually something provincial fish and game looks at. Or is this just made up bs. I'm leaning towards bs?

Treaty natives get first rights to fish and wildlife after conservation needs are met. This is true across Canada (both federally and provincially) - everything from fishing Atlantic salmon in Nova Scotia (federal gov't) to hunting moose in BC (provincial gov't).

If anyone knows of a province where this isn't true, I'd be interested to know.
 
There was consternation in Zone 5 when I lived there. Same old same old. I still went moose hunting and no one stopped me. Don't let them stop you. Regulatory agencies tell me when I have to stop hunting. So long as it's legal and I feel good about doing it then I'll keep on doing it.
 
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The BCWf will always try the diplomatic approach, that's what we do as a first step. This just came to light and we haven't even had a meeting with Chief Alphonse yet so it's way to premature for us to get bent out of shape.

You as individuals can and are doing something with your letters and petition and I would encourage you all to keep it up.

If you don't think the BCWF is doing anything for you, you really do have your head deep in the sand. If you think things are not that great now, without the Federation working for you, hunting and fishing would be non-existant in BC for non FN's.

Three days into a possible dispute and we have 15 year BCWF members threating to toss in the towel because they don't feel we've done enough? Time for a reality check Mr. Doyle. FN's issues are as political and sensitive as they come, so take a breath and give us some time.

Tony Koett
BCWF Region 5 President.
 
"A good friend of mines daughter just married an FN man that apparentley can hunt what ever he wants any where in BC when ever he wants, and no limit to what he takes. He belongs to a band that supposedly has these rights!!"


I'd have to see iron-clad proof to believe that.
 
It is extremely reassuring to see that the BCWF is going to be working on this. I understand the need for diplomacy but it's pretty hard to approach this calmly when the group involved with this is essentially refusing to accept the authority of law and act in the manner of terrorists. I want to go on my planned hunt, that I lawfully entered in the leh draw and received authorization from the government to hunt it. I understand the need for conservation but this is not conservation. This is a political statement from a group that is declaring its intentions to commit criminal activities. I don't take kindly to demands from criminals trying to block my lawful movements. I hope this is resolved before the time of my draw.

The BCWf will always try the diplomatic approach, that's what we do as a first step. This just came to light and we haven't even had a meeting with Chief Alphonse yet so it's way to premature for us to get bent out of shape.

You as individuals can and are doing something with your letters and petition and I would encourage you all to keep it up.

If you don't think the BCWF is doing anything for you, you really do have your head deep in the sand. If you think things are not that great now, without the Federation working for you, hunting and fishing would be non-existant in BC for non FN's.

Three days into a possible dispute and we have 15 year BCWF members threating to toss in the towel because they don't feel we've done enough? Time for a reality check Mr. Doyle. FN's issues are as political and sensitive as they come, so take a breath and give us some time.

Tony Koett
BCWF Region 5 President.
 
"A good friend of mines daughter just married an FN man that apparentley can hunt what ever he wants any where in BC when ever he wants, and no limit to what he takes. He belongs to a band that supposedly has these rights!!"

That is not correct.

In BC a native may hunt ONLY in his or her band's traditional territory for sustenance purposes without regard to season, bag limits or licence.

Status Indians hunting in areas other than their traditional territory don't require a licence but they MUST conform to legal seasons and bag limits including LEH entries.

Métis are required to obtain licences everywhere in BC and hunt only during legal open seasons.
 
Time for a reality check Mr. Doyle. FN's issues are as political and sensitive as they come, so take a breath and give us some time.

not sure what the reality check is but I am certain I got you trumped on understanding first nations issues.
 
not sure what the reality check is but I am certain I got you trumped on understanding first nations issues.

The reality check is what you are expecting from the BCWF and the time frame you are expecting it in, and also with regards to your comments about Bill Bosch.
 
That is not correct.

In BC a native may hunt ONLY in his or her band's traditional territory for sustenance purposes without regard to season, bag limits or licence.

Status Indians hunting in areas other than their traditional territory don't require a licence but they MUST conform to legal seasons and bag limits including LEH entries.

Métis are required to obtain licences everywhere in BC and hunt only during legal open seasons.

That is what I always thought, they could only hunt in traditional areas (reservation lands). It is not that I believe what I was told, but it appears some FN's think they can, and do.
 
i dont see why the natives have anything to say ,, why not have it in the regulations that we all use , theres no special native group that govrns hunting , or us ,this looks like more b.s. to me ... having natives escorting none resident hunters anywhere is a recipe for a big fight!!!!!!!!
 
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