Norinco 1911 Round Count

recce said:
I've got 6400 through mine. The only mechanical problem I've had was a broken slide stop.
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You broke the forged slide stop?!? Let me guess, you ran it for 640 roudns with the original craptacular Norinco recoil spring didn't ya?

Even Wolf recommends you change out their top of the line springs every 5K rounds or the gun will start to batter the slide stop.

My Nork spring stayed in until I got my first stove-pipe (at about 1100 rounds). It's had Wolf springs ever since and they get replaced every 5K or so.

No appreciable signs of wear yet, except to the blueing on contact surfaces.
 
My norc 9mm 1911 has about 2,000 through it works fine, only jams were caused by a bad mag ( dont know the the manufacturer of that mag). i replaced the spring with an ISMI 18lb at about 500 rounds didn't figure it would hold up.
 
What I hate about Taurus is that their customer service is non-existant.
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that is what I keep hearing, but how does anyone even know if no one has one? :?

just don't like 'em. And not many people do. They usually are just a copy of something else. [i.e. S&W or Beretta] Only they don't hold their value like the 'real thing' seems to...
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maybe that's because they cost less in the first place :wink:

Actually in the states a lot of people like them a lot, in fact most people who have them like them and people who don't never owned them in the first place kind of funny in a way….Usually those are people who think it’s still ‘60 and Taurus still makes some cheap copies. :roll:
 
You do not need a new barrel.
If your looking for a reason to change the barrel, do so it's your right. But it is not needed.

Change the recoil spring once in a while.
 
Claven2 said:
You broke the forged slide stop?!? Let me guess, you ran it for 640 roudns with the original craptacular Norinco recoil spring didn't ya?
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Yes it broke while I was still using the original spring, that was at approx. 2000 rounds. I've had a Wollf spring in ever since then and no problem other than problems feeding plated SWC, which I no longer use.
 
What is ‘wonnabe’ about Taurus? I really don’t get it, sure they made a good move on buying Beretta’s plant in Brazil and used the machinery to make their version of the gun. (PT-92). But it’s clearly not a clone since even magazines are NOT even interchangeable! Not to mention the frame mounted safety that allows for ‘cocked and locked’ carry and functions as a decocted. With that said I own a Beretta 92 but wouldn’t hesitate to buy a PT-92/99 esp. considering the price.

Also not sure if you know this but S&W and Taurus were sister companies for about 7 year (forgot the exact years). Anyways that is reason for the similarity of their products for that time. Now Taurus makes a number of inventive original (revolver) designs like Raging Bull, Tracker esp. their titanium models. NAA please go to Taurus website if you haven’t done so lately and see for yourself all the original stuff Taurus offers…Great now I sound like a Taurus’s salesman :shock: :mrgreen:
 
Boys,
Let's keep this a clean one please.
I care about Norinco 1911 round counts, nothing else.
Enough is enough and both your points are taken.

I wonder how many rounds other people have put through their Norcs?
 
Jeff/1911 said:
My Norinco 1911A1 has 9,400 rounds of fairly stiff .45 auto handloads through it, and it's is nicely "smoothed up" now. I expect another 100,000 or so before it needs anything. you know, like cleaning...that sort of thing. :lol:

The Norinco 1911 is a great pistol. Clarks Custom have built "race guns" using the Norinco factory slide, frams AND barrel. They're that good.

Jeff/1911.
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Before Norinco lovers were stating it was Wilson until proven wrong. Now it is Clark Custom : Prove it..get your source out..
 
I got a few IPSS guns that burned 80,000 + rounds also of hot 9X21 mm reload. The problem is not with the internal but the external dimension ( locking lug ) that just wear out. There is a point were you need to have the frame to slide fit redone, the lock up refitted and this is not worth rebuilding the gun around a 80 000 rounds barrel.
Most barrel have to be changed around 50,000 rounds because accuracy is going through the window, specially if you use only jacketed bullet. Like a rifle, the chamber leade wear out from firing as are the lands from the repeated cleaning.

On the safety standpoint, on a 1911, any brand , it is wise to replace the barrel link and barrel link pin at aound 25 000 rounds. For those who have access to this type of equipment, a NDT test for cracks at the borrom lug and barrel locking lugs is a wise thing to invest money into.

No two barrel are alike, some will wear out faster. How it was fitted at first is also a factor. Lubrification and care is also a variable on barrel life. There is also what you expect from you gun : if you are used to two inches group at 25 yards and get 4 inches, such a shooter will consider his barrel shot up. For another, this is has no bearing and he is happy with it, be 2 inches or 6 inches.

No matter wich way you think, this is not a contest for barrel life on brand A versus B. Think safety. We shoot more than ever with hotter ammo than previous avialable. Inspect and maintain, do not wait for parts breakage.
 
I did put close to 10K through my older single-stacked Norc 1911, and I noticed no difference from the start to the end, always equally inaccurate and jamming prone.
 
FWIW....

Janeau said:
Jeff/1911 said:
My Norinco 1911A1 has 9,400 rounds of fairly stiff .45 auto handloads through it, and it's is nicely "smoothed up" now. I expect another 100,000 or so before it needs anything. you know, like cleaning...that sort of thing. :lol:

The Norinco 1911 is a great pistol. Clarks Custom have built "race guns" using the Norinco factory slide, frams AND barrel. They're that good.

Jeff/1911.
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Before Norinco lovers were stating it was Wilson until proven wrong. Now it is Clark Custom : Prove it..get your source out..
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What pistols do you work on?
We will work on Springfield Armory, Colt, Norinco, Wilson Combat, Kimber, Strayer Tripp, and Strayer Voight pistols.
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From Wilson's site....

http://www.wilsoncombat.com/faq_handgun.htm
 
This is what Jim Clark has to say.....

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
Q:What 1911 pistols do you consider the best platform for the 460 Rowland Kit?
A: The best candidates for this kit are single stack Kimber, Colt, Springfield Armory, Smith & Wesson, Dan Wesson and Norinco 1911 style 45 ACP semi-auto pistols.
Q: Is it safe to install the 460 Rowland Drop In 1911 Comp Kit into my older spot heat treated 1911 pistol?
A: NO! We do not recommend this kit for installation in any GI or other spot heat treated 1911s!
Please note that we will not guarantee this kit to fit or function in
your Auto Ordnance, Llama, Charles Daly or AMT 1911 style pistols.

Q: Are there any other guns that you specifically DO NOT recommend for the 460 Rowland?
A: YES! We do not recommend this kit for installation in

* IAI (Israeli Arms International) - We've found the top lugs in the slides of the Philipines produced 1911s to be soft! We've not tested the Israeli made guns but would recommend extreme caution.
* Auto Ordnance
* Llama
* AMT
* Charles Daly
* Any "GI" 1911
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From Jim Clark's site.....

http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/rowland.htm

Hope this helps....
 
What is insinuated here, is that Jim Clark offered , he based it's custom guns on Norinco. That his choice as a basis for a custom gun was a Norinco. This is 100 % false.

Most gunsmiths will work on anything. Norinco are no exception. They bring good money because all need to be retouched and tuned to make them work properly.
Clark as Wilson will build on any customer gun. ( if anybody is dum enough to spend 2000$ on a $200 frame AND slide )

Clark and Wilson offer complete custom guns that bear their brand. And none is a Norinco.
 
What is insinuated here, is that Jim Clark offered , he based it's custom guns on Norinco. That his choice as a basis for a custom gun was a Norinco. This is 100 % false. This was the same topic that we went trough with wilson until I took the phone and called them.

Most gunsmiths will work on anything. Norinco are no exception. They bring good money because all need to be retouched and tuned to make them work properly.
Clark as Wilson will build on any customer gun. ( if anybody is dum enough to spend 2000$ on a $200 frame AND slide )

Clark and Wilson offer complete custom guns that bear their brand. And none is a Norinco.

This is unique to Norinco owners : you buy a cheap gun and then get all over others as being the best. Norinco guns are as cheap, sometime they work sometime not. I am now at number 14, 14 Norinco that I tried and had to fix for poor soul who foolishly followed some bad advise.
 
you are so confused Janeau ... you don't even get your facts straight!

seriously look up which frames are most desired to base custom work upon....

honestly, don't give me your anti-norc BS...

research it....

Janeau = ANTI-NORC cause he spent too much on big-name frames $$$$$$
 
Thamok said:
you are so confused Janeau ... you don't even get your facts straight!

seriously look up which frames are most desired to base custom work upon....

honestly, don't give me your anti-norc BS...

research it....

Janeau = ANTI-NORC cause he spent too much on big-name frames $$$$$$
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The confused is you. They state they work on it, not that they consider it as a good base for a custom gun. If you do not have the money to buy a good 1911 and are attracted to cheap guns, I doupt very much that you will spend $1000 or $2000 and sent it to a custom gun maker.

Just take a dial caliper and see for yourself the work that need to be done. There is anti Norc because there is so much bull####t that Norc owner carry all over on CGN. You do not have this on other brand. The reality, is that they are very variable in quality, you can have a good one or a bad one, jamming, badly fitted one with poor quality parts: this is facts. Even if you have one that work, do not try to convince other that this is a quality gun and they should go your route.
 
Janeau said:
What is insinuated here, is that Jim Clark offered , he based it's custom guns on Norinco. That his choice as a basis for a custom gun was a Norinco. This is 100 % false. This was the same topic that we went trough with wilson until I took the phone and called them.
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Who said anything about Clark custom? Look at the Wilson website. the list of makes they will do custom work on is very short. Norinco is on the list, however and STI is NOT. Interesting...

Janeau said:
Most gunsmiths will work on anything. Norinco are no exception. They bring good money because all need to be retouched and tuned to make them work properly.
Clark as Wilson will build on any customer gun. ( if anybody is dum enough to spend 2000$ on a $200 frame AND slide )
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Your gunsmith is a whore then. My gunsmith will only work on a few brands of 1911 if the work involves anything other than a straight parts swap. He doesn't go near most US made big dollar CAST guns. Milled and forged only with the exception of Para and maybe a couple others. what he can do with a Norinco is demonstrated pretty well in the pics I;ve posted of my gun... pics are good. They don't lie, or even exagerate. Also, last I checked, Caspian raw frames and slides were around $200 in the US. Caspian is junk too, I guess? Don;t you think it's a pretty broad stroke you're painting by saying ALL Norincos need gunsmithing to work properly? I imagine STI never shipped a lemon huh? I'd like ot meet the engineer that planned their QA/QC process. He must be a GOD.

Janeau said:
Clark and Wilson offer complete custom guns that bear their brand. And none is a Norinco.
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Really? Wow... I also note that none of them are Colt, Springfield, STI, Valtro, Les Baer either. How can that be? Oh yeah... that's right... Wilson has their own brand! :idea:

FWIW, even if they wanted to, Wilson couldn;t get Norinco frames or slides imported due to the Clinton ban :!:
 
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