Norinco 1911 Round Count

Read up in this forum were the argument about Clark Custom started..it is right there in front of your eye. Wake up, call them..you will see that they will work on any STI/SVI. Whatever, they are smiths who specialise on some type of gun and not other.. Clark is well know for it's single stack

Your gunsmith is a whore then. My gunsmith will only work on a few brands of 1911 if the work involves anything other than a straight parts swap. He doesn't go near most US made big dollar CAST guns. Milled and forged only with the exception of Para and maybe a couple others. what he can do with a Norinco is demonstrated pretty well in the pics I;ve posted of my gun... pics are good. They don't lie, or even exagerate. Also, last I checked, Caspian raw frames and slides were around $200 in the US. Caspian is junk too, I guess? Don;t you think it's a pretty broad stroke you're painting by saying ALL Norincos need gunsmithing to work properly? I imagine STI never shipped a lemon huh? I'd like ot meet the engineer that planned their QA/QC process. He must be a GOD.
Janeau said:
Clark and Wilson offer complete custom guns that bear their brand. And none is a Norinco.
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Really? Wow... I also note that none of them are Colt, Springfield, STI, Valtro, Les Baer either. How can that be? Oh yeah... that's right... Wilson has their own brand! :idea:

FWIW, even if they wanted to, Wilson couldn;t get Norinco frames or slides imported due to the Clinton ban :!:
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The problem with Norinco is that the bucket contain 50 % + lemon and 50 % and less apple.

Your gunsmith work only on a few 1911... hum..anybody can swaps parts, to repair a faulty gun and improve on it , you need a real gunsmith. The gun mentionned in Clark's Q&A have all reason were they do not work on it. It does not mean other do not.

My gunsmiths are Wilson Custom shop and Dawson Precision those days. I had one of the first Clark Pin Master. I got about 7 custom guns build so far. A good gunsmith will work on anything, even Norinco. Unfortunaltely, you will need american parts to make it right. I also own a Rock River 1911 target along a few STI's. I know the difference between a cheap gun and quality parts, guns and custom guns.

Caspian FRAME start at $175 in the US, you buy a Norinco in Canada for $300 CDN, complete. Have you ever look and handled a Caspian frame ? I am sure you did not.

Who do you think produce Wilson and Les Baer frame ?? Most frame were produced by Colt in the 70's until Springfield started to make them in the USA instead of importing them from Brazil. Caspian is a major supplier of frame as is Essex.

That the only think you say that make sense..but who want to build a BMW on a Lada platform ??

Some have done so, is that make it a smart move ?? Does it make it the way to go ? I do not think so. If this is all you can afford then go ahead and buy your Norinco, but if it turn sour, then just make sure you have more money to fix it + a good gunsmith that will work on it, to fix it.
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I have almost 14,000 thru one of my norinco's, with lead bullet reloads. I have seen reports of Colt factory barrels going 60,000 rounds with lead bullet reloads, I would expect norinco's with crome lined barrels to go way more than that.

Ar -15 shooters usually get mush longer barrel life out of cromed lines barrels.
 
Janeau said:
That the only think you say that make sense..but who want to build a BMW on a Lada platform ??
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That's a horrible, and dare I say misleading, analogy. The two cars you're comparing have nothing in common whatsoever, where the Norc vs [insert brand name here] are both based on the exact same design, the main difference being fit and finish. And while I'm at it, I'll just call b.s. on the balance of your post, particularly your "stats" on Norc lemons. If they had as high a failure rate as you claim, you'd think there would be a general, pinned warning about them on the major 1911 forums. But the fact is that, like most people here, most posters there feel they're a value priced, if unrefined, pistol that is rock solid. Sorry you don't agree, and I'm sure you're very satisfied with your STI, but the majority of us Norc owners (and I am limiting myself to 1911's here, mind you) have experiences that run contrary to your own.

Incidentally, for those who played along the last time we did one of these 1911 brawls, I did some further research on the High Standard 1911's. It seems that the consensus is that they are manufactured by Armscor, out of the Phillipines. These are the same people who make the Charles Daley and Rock River 1911s, which seem to fill that bottom end niche down south where Norincos are verboten.
 
Norinco 1911's are the toughest 1911's you can buy metalurgically. There are no mimed, cast or soft parts in them. If you ever want to pistol whip someone, use a norinco, it will still work afterwards. Try that with your STI.
 
To all those that have participated in supplying their round counts and their experiences with their Norinco 1911s a BIG THANK YOU



As for the rest,
It is because of people such as yourselves, moron hijackers, that threads get way off topic and that the original questions go unanswered.
If you have nothing to contribute to the original topic, stay the hell out of it.
Thus I have requested that this thread be locked and deleted.
You hijackers can be my guest and all take a walk or start your own damned threads and go as far off topic as you want.
GOOD DAY
 
IBTL,

And Janeau, you're wrong. I've shot just about every 1911 made/available (including Caspian) and I still diagree with you!

By the way, how are you getting custom work done on your guns by Wilson Combat when it's illegal to ship stuff there under current trade law? You wouldn;t be promoting breaking US trade law on CGN would you? :roll:
 
Norinco NP 29 (9mm 1911)... 4K now, pretty evenly split between FMJ and lead reloads (wolf). No problems with the barrel or accuracy. Does occasionally throw brass back at me. This 1911 has been a very good pistol. It is fairly accurate with no functional problems. The fit and finish was good from factory. AND yes, I would recomend this pistol to any/everyone.

Not to rain on anyones parade... but after buying the NP 29, I can no longer justify a 1911 (my case 9mm) selling for quadruple the cost.

Blue :mrgreen:
 
Thamok said:
you are so confused Janeau ... you don't even get your facts straight!

seriously look up which frames are most desired to base custom work upon....

honestly, don't give me your anti-norc BS...

research it....

Janeau = ANTI-NORC cause he spent too much on big-name frames $$$$$$
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Using a Norinco as a frame for to build a custom gun is like using a Civic Dx 95' to build a track car (what most wannabe tuners do anyway).

Norincos aren't that bad for students, beginners. I had 3 Norincos (NP34, NP29 and SKS). I'm not saying they're pure crap cause I paid a fraction of what a brand name gun would cost but I got what I paid for. Basic gun, with average finish, feeding problems (NP29) and poor accuracy (mostly the NP34, NP29 was accurate). Oh and poor resell value.

Now to answer the author's question, I had over 4k round through my NP29. First 1k was ok, then came all the problems. Wouldn't feed JHP (why ???), shells jammed and the worse, its accuracy going away slowly... But again, it was a cheap gun and my expectations weren't very high.
 
buckbrush said:
Norinco 1911's are the toughest 1911's you can buy metalurgically. There are no mimed, cast or soft parts in them. If you ever want to pistol whip someone, use a norinco, it will still work afterwards. Try that with your STI.
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My nork NP29 extractor was cast and it broke. Not really a big deal though.
Nork's are $325-$350, that's what they cost and that's what they are worth. The design is sound, the metal is good, the fit and finish is lacking and the tool marks are disgusting. They are a good buy for $325-$350 if you can over look the poor fit/finish. I wouldn't buy another one.
 
Janeau

"They bring good money because all need to be retouched and tuned to make them work properly."


What a load of crap! All! Less four apparently - all my Norincos worked flawlessly out of the box with no FTF. Any work done on them by Gunner or Dlask was to customize the guns the way I wanted them to be. All shot POA. I have over 2,000 rounds through one of my stock A1's without a problem. My Nork 1911 in 9MM shoots as well as my Trojan 9MM. Fit and finish is not up to the Trojan but neither is the price. Every bit as accurate though. Incidently, all of mine were tight out of the box.

Wilson lists the Noroincos as one of the makes he will use as a base gun. Why, because of the quality of the steel in the frames and slides.

There is no plastic in a Norinco other than the grips and all the parts are forged.

Here is a 15 yard target:

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STay Safe
 
sixty9santa

If you go to 1911 Forum as JimV one of the mods on that forum about Norincos. He has several and shot them a lot. Your NOrinco will last as long as you live and as far as barrel life is concerned I have yet to hear of anybody in the US shooting a barrel out yet.

The NOrinco in the States has almost reached cult status.

Careless a friend of mine on the 1911 Forum bought to NIB. He at the same time bought a Colt GI retro. The Colt went back to the factory within a week and I think he eventually sold it. Gun never did function as well as the NOrks.

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I have lost count of how many rounds I have put through my NP30 Norc dbl stack...so many that the sh!tty proprietary mags are starting to wear out and they actually bulge when fully loaded, making them hard to insert in the magwell. It still shoots as good as the day I got it and the bore is mint. For the money, Norcs rock! Ok Janeau, have at it... :roll:
 
Janeau:

The problem with Norinco is that the bucket contain 50 % + lemon and 50 % and less apple.
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You have got to be on drugs!

The biggest importer and wholesaler / retailer has an IronClad Guarentee and an in Canada 1 Year Parts / Labour / Shipping warranty on NORINCO 1911's...

Show me a single other 1911 sold in Canada that gets this kind of backing.?!?

If half the guns were lemons... they would have been out of business long ago!

Quit smoking crack-man!
 
Thamok

Welcome to a growing group who tend to ignore Janeau;'s posts. Had I to do it all over again I would have bought my four Norks, done three of them up similar to what Claven2 did to his and called it a day. That said I love my Para SSP, and my Trojan and my....

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