hi their i dont have my restricted but im thinking about it. are the norinco handguns any good? i no nothing about handguns but i thought their prices looked good becasue i cant afford a ten thousand dollar gun lol thanx
matt
matt
norinco guns?
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Opinions are like.... Oh, never mind - What I mean is that many, many people here have bought them, due to the reasonable prices. The net result seems to be a diverse spectrum of feelings with regards to Norinco products:
Some people vow that they work just fine, thankyou very much, perhaps with slightly less "nice" finishing than the "name brand" products. If I have read correctly, some of the more popular products have been the 1911 and NZ85 pistols, the M305 rifles, and the HP-9 shotguns.
I bought a 1911, and it sucked. Finish was really thin, parts weren't finished on the edges, and several times both my wife and I have sustained slightly more than superficial cuts from the pistol. The magazines literally fell apart, the pistol often hiccupped with factory hardball ammo, let alone Hp projectiles in reloads.... I ended up giving the pistol to my wife as her "starter" gun - She is now sick of it six months later, and speaks fondly of the idea of purchasing a Glock (Ugh - Tupperware!!).
And THAT was supposed to be one of Norc's BETTER products!
Anyway, I won't buy another Norinco, unless they improve vastly in quality, but some people here really like them. Try to find someone to take you out to test drive a few, so you can see them first hand.
Or.... Save a few more dollars, and buy a quality used handgun!
Just my thoughts.
Welcome to the world of handguns!
Neal
Some people vow that they work just fine, thankyou very much, perhaps with slightly less "nice" finishing than the "name brand" products. If I have read correctly, some of the more popular products have been the 1911 and NZ85 pistols, the M305 rifles, and the HP-9 shotguns.
I bought a 1911, and it sucked. Finish was really thin, parts weren't finished on the edges, and several times both my wife and I have sustained slightly more than superficial cuts from the pistol. The magazines literally fell apart, the pistol often hiccupped with factory hardball ammo, let alone Hp projectiles in reloads.... I ended up giving the pistol to my wife as her "starter" gun - She is now sick of it six months later, and speaks fondly of the idea of purchasing a Glock (Ugh - Tupperware!!).
And THAT was supposed to be one of Norc's BETTER products!
Anyway, I won't buy another Norinco, unless they improve vastly in quality, but some people here really like them. Try to find someone to take you out to test drive a few, so you can see them first hand.
Or.... Save a few more dollars, and buy a quality used handgun!
Just my thoughts.
Welcome to the world of handguns!
Neal
Here we go again.....
Brand blindness. If its not expensive its no good.....
I win matches with my Nz 85b, and have no issues with my M1911a1c, my 2 M305s, my SKS or my M93.
I have shot Glocks, Colts, Sigs, CZs........They are not worth the extra money.
Brand blindness. If its not expensive its no good.....
I win matches with my Nz 85b, and have no issues with my M1911a1c, my 2 M305s, my SKS or my M93.
I have shot Glocks, Colts, Sigs, CZs........They are not worth the extra money.
I have a few Norincos, I also own HK. YOu get what you get. But I have been very satisfied with mine. Speaking only on the Goverment .45s for the money theres nothing even close. If you did decide it need some minor things like grips or whatever..you have still saved a big bundle...as for finish? Mine is parkerized..which is ok..I dont care for the blued ones...but like anything these pistols can be refinished.
FOr the me the important thing about a Norinco model, is whether its parts are interchangeable with the good stuff...that way if there is a cheap component on say and 1911 clone or 870 clone...ill sub it out with the real deal.
FOr the me the important thing about a Norinco model, is whether its parts are interchangeable with the good stuff...that way if there is a cheap component on say and 1911 clone or 870 clone...ill sub it out with the real deal.
tree mugger said:Here we go again.....
Brand blindness. If its not expensive its no good.....
I win matches with my Nz 85b, and have no issues with my M1911a1c, my 2 M305s, my SKS or my M93.
I have shot Glocks, Colts, Sigs, CZs........They are not worth the extra money.
No.... I have shot and owned norinco. I have also shot most major brands. There is a difference. Quality is the difference. A norinco pistol versus Glock,Kimber,Beretta, Sig etc. It is comparing a Volvo to a Lada.
i have been extreamly impressed with norc quality: my 9mm sig226 copy is a great shooter and imo has good but not excellent finish. my norc sks was very reliable, accuracy was normal for an sks - although i have now sold it. I now currently have a norc m14 and it is awsome, no problems whatsoever with any of the 3 norcs i have owned.
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I find it amazing how Norinco who basically copies other designs(tried and true designs) piece for piece and yet they still can't produce a gun that is nearly as reliable or durable as the original from which they are copying. There has yet to be a Norinco copy manufactured, sold and used tha has not had some type of minor or major problem. The bottom line is this. If you're on a tight budget and have a real hard on to get a gun. Buy a Norinco. Should you want to invest in a gun that will last a lifetime with little or no issues and without going to the smith more often than grandma goes to the ####ter.... Save your money and buy brand name. You get what you pay for. I can guarantee the majority of the Norinco lovers on this board don't wear $15 shoes from wal mart, they buy good shoes that cost good money.
Justifying the purchase of a Norinco by contrasting its "quality" with price point is like cutting off your nose to save your face. Norinco's are priced as low as they are to induce this myth that "for the money, its a good deal" mentality. The truth is, its a good deal as long as you don't expect too much from the product. The problem comes when you invest another 200,300, 400,etc etc dollars into it so it looks, feels, and shoots the way you want it to. At the end of the day you could have saved that money and made one purchase, one time and got a good gun right out of the box. When you contrast the total cost put into the gun VS the overall product, it aint such a good deal. I have yet to see any MIL or LE agency use Norinco products in their line-up....
CF
Justifying the purchase of a Norinco by contrasting its "quality" with price point is like cutting off your nose to save your face. Norinco's are priced as low as they are to induce this myth that "for the money, its a good deal" mentality. The truth is, its a good deal as long as you don't expect too much from the product. The problem comes when you invest another 200,300, 400,etc etc dollars into it so it looks, feels, and shoots the way you want it to. At the end of the day you could have saved that money and made one purchase, one time and got a good gun right out of the box. When you contrast the total cost put into the gun VS the overall product, it aint such a good deal. I have yet to see any MIL or LE agency use Norinco products in their line-up....
CF
cannonfodder said:
I have no much of my own experience to share with you, however I bit the bullet and I went big. I used my only super dupper credit card and got myself S&W 686 and Springfield 1911A1. I burn lots of cash, but I like my guns. Then I went even more crazy. I sold my rifle and decided that I need 9mm and went to buy XD-9, which I think is a good deal pistol.
Cannonfodder is right, save more and buy good. You don't have to buy big, like STI or HK. Go with CZ75, Glock, XD-9 or base model of proven 1911A1 from Springfield or even M-5 Bull.
Good Luck
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Good point on the BUL rifleboy. A descent gun for the dollar. As well as the others you mention. THe real test is being able to save for the more expensive brand name purchase and then refraining from going crazy and buying more than you can afford, or more than your credit limit can afford.
CF
CF
The Norinco 1911s that I and my friends own have been very good. We use full power factory fmj or lead reloads and never had a problem. Accuracy in the neighborhood of 3" for 5 shots at 25m were easy to obtain. My friend's Norinco shot well enough for him to win a bowling pin match against others with more expensive guns.
Marstars used to sell them for $325 while locally they are selling for around $425. True, their fit and finish might not be as good as a Colt but at their price/performance level, they are hard to beat.
With respects to Cannonfodder, most military/police equipment purchase decisions are not made under the same criteria as a civi buying a gun to have fun. Compared to civis, most military/police are not really budget minded at all and in the case of the elite special forces, such as those in the US, there are practically no budget constraints.
That is very different from what MJCURRY originally asks. At the end of the day, are 3 Norincos really less fun than 1 Sig?
Marstars used to sell them for $325 while locally they are selling for around $425. True, their fit and finish might not be as good as a Colt but at their price/performance level, they are hard to beat.
With respects to Cannonfodder, most military/police equipment purchase decisions are not made under the same criteria as a civi buying a gun to have fun. Compared to civis, most military/police are not really budget minded at all and in the case of the elite special forces, such as those in the US, there are practically no budget constraints.
That is very different from what MJCURRY originally asks. At the end of the day, are 3 Norincos really less fun than 1 Sig?
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Tree mugger,
I'm not justifying anything here. I think its the NORC owners who are constantly trying to justify their choice. I never said they can't be had in working order and I never said they can't or won't shoot. I'm saying they won't last and are very hit and miss in terms of quality, function, reliability and overall impressions.
Your winning abilities are not measured by your gear but rather by your skill. I also have seen folks with their NORC guns do very well. I've also seen those same folks as well as others have issues with their guns at the same match. Does this mean they all will? No. However more times than not its a NORC gun that ####s the bed at a match and requires some new parts.
CF
CF
I'm not justifying anything here. I think its the NORC owners who are constantly trying to justify their choice. I never said they can't be had in working order and I never said they can't or won't shoot. I'm saying they won't last and are very hit and miss in terms of quality, function, reliability and overall impressions.
Your winning abilities are not measured by your gear but rather by your skill. I also have seen folks with their NORC guns do very well. I've also seen those same folks as well as others have issues with their guns at the same match. Does this mean they all will? No. However more times than not its a NORC gun that ####s the bed at a match and requires some new parts.
CF
CF
tree mugger said:
Perhaps you are just a good shot?
Really. Comparing a SIG (or HK/Beretta) to a Nork quality wise? I own both, a SIG226 and a Nork 1911 (w/ all Wilson internals.)
The Nork's still just a Nork.
The SIG's a piece of workmanship.
