Norinco M14 Blew Up

45ACPKING said:
maybe you should do more reading and less running off at the key board man. I'm in a testy mood this evenin...... sorry folks.
Having no idea what i do.... and have done..... to more firearms than i can count allows me to simply disregard your comments as horses**t.......
I dedicate a vast amount of time being constructive with folks here and off the board. For the most part it is free giving of my time and tools. Not counting the once a month my house packs to capacity for one of my M14 GUNSMITHING clinics.
HOW MANY of the dozens and dozens of m14s rifle owners who's rifles i have personally touched...... have problems or complaints with said rifles??? Do i ask for a brownie badge.... public gratuities....... do i want a big bag full of ego boost....... no.

there's a tonne of m14s , and quite a few 1911's and .303 enfields out there with my work on them.... why don't you start a thread and ask the cgn population for a raise of hands?? I'd put my m14 builds up on the table with any of the best m14 builders in canada and let that be the judge.

I do this all for free, i do it for the fun of it man...... and you come along and just make this no fun.......
anyhow savage has pretty much confirmed that this was "reloader error" ....... I am having a hard time refraining from sayin i told you so...... but then i'd just be playin silly games with ya.


I don't rant like this often .... and i apologize to everyone...... but Hitzy , grow up man .... :cool:
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I think my exact post was:
Well that's good, sort of. You can rule out your handloads mostly, other then an improperly sized case (you didn't neck size by chance did you?). It was likely an out of spec firing pin, or receiver bridge which caused the round to fire with the bolt out of battery. There is a little cut out in the receiver bridge that is suppose to only allow the firing pin tail to pass through when it's locked up. If the firing pin is too long, or the gap in the bridge is too wide, then it will fire without full lock up.
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Savages results:
1: The brass was not sized properly .I have talked to Dogleg and he was not certain that the case was properly sized but indicated that the primer indeed was at proper depth. This is the human error part of the equation how the case was loaded has no bearing the failure would have occurred if he was using a reduced powder load.
2: That the rifle will fire before it in complete battery
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Your diagnosis :rolleyes:
I don't even need to have that gun in my hands to know 90% proof positive what occurred here. Simply put, it 90% that the cause was a stuck firing pin OR faulty ammunition ie: high primer.
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So what exaclty did you "told me so" again?
Maybe, as the self proclaimed M14 guru, you could incorporate this into your clinics.
Put a primed case into the chamber and see how much the bolt may be opened and still fire the primer. If it is too much, the rifle should be sent to A REAL GUNSMITH for repairs.

Most people don't think about the receiver bridge blocking the firing pin when the rifle is out of battery. We all should inspect and test our M14/M1 Garand rifles for this defect. It only takes a few minutes and could save your face or your life. Dogleg's rifle should not have KB'd regardless of the improperly sized case, there is a mechanical problem with rifle and a built in safty feature (carried over from the M1 Garand) did not prevent this.
Yes it was an out of battery KB, but you can't just leave it at that. The rifle as designed, is not suppose to fire out of battery.
Yes, you could shoot your Nork M14 your whole life and never have an issue, with a clean rifle, with properly sized cases or factory ammo, there is very little chance this safety feature would ever have to come into play.
It doesn't hurt to take 10 minutes to check it out.....
 
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Hitzy said:
Most people don't think about the receiver bridge blocking the firing pin when the rifle is out of battery. We all should inspect and test our M14/M1 Garand rifles for this defect. It only takes a few minutes and could save your face or your life. Dogleg's rifle should not have KB'd regardless of the improperly sized case, there is a mechanical problem with rifle and a built in safty feature (carried over from the M1 Garand) did not prevent this.
Yes it was an out of battery KB, but you can't just leave it at that. The rifle as designed, is not suppose to fire out of battery.
Yes, you could shoot your Nork M14 your whole life and never have an issue, with a clean rifle, with properly sized cases or factory ammo, there is very little chance this safety feature would ever have to come into play.
It doesn't hurt to take 10 minutes to check it out.....
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Forgive my ignorance but how exactly do we test this?
 
Well if anything, all this has scared the crap outa me, i just bought a USGI fiberglass stock from FabSports, i guess i did a piss poor job in cleaning my rifle after i got it, cause i didnt do no taking the bolt apart and scrubbing it down and all that, i like to rapid fire it, now.....i don't know!! This forum is huge, there is soo much info, and all i want to do is shoot the thing, is there any way of learning the really really really important stuff and the whys, don'ts, how to's, all in one spot here. Oh and i'm new, so i don't get alot of the cryptic talk, plain english is best for learning. Man i'm about to say the hell with this and sell the damn thing.
 
Sargent_Peper said:
Well if anything, all this has scared the crap outa me, i just bought a USGI fiberglass stock from FabSports, i guess i did a piss poor job in cleaning my rifle after i got it, cause i didnt do no taking the bolt apart and scrubbing it down and all that, i like to rapid fire it, now.....i don't know!! This forum is huge, there is soo much info, and all i want to do is shoot the thing, is there any way of learning the really really really important stuff and the whys, don'ts, how to's, all in one spot here. Oh and i'm new, so i don't get alot of the cryptic talk, plain english is best for learning. Man i'm about to say the hell with this and sell the damn thing.
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Don't sell your rifle it is simple to clean ,You don't have to take the bolt appart to clean it .Use hot water and dish soap ro remove the cosmoline [packing grease] from the bolt blow dry or air dry the bolt when clean .Grease the bolt roller the round thing on the side of the bolt you can use a sryringe or use another method you that will pack the grease into the bolt roller and apply oil to the bolt and wipe the excess oil off. You will never likely ever incur any problems with your rifle whether shooting Factory or properly handloaded ammunition thru your rifle
 
I have found a professional video guy and a guy who specializing in making said video internet friendly..... over the coming couple months i'm going to sit down and make a "m14s for dummies" DVD. Don't let all the recent goings on with regards to this rifle blowing up thread, get everyone's knickers in a knot thinking thier rinco is going to blow up.
The clinics are great, and hungry's clinic DVD downloads are fantastic.... must have stuff. This is by no means a critic remark but... for average joe, the clinic dvd's can be tough to really glean info from redily unless watched over and over. Some of us pick it up right away..... others maybe not so much. Hard to get a lot of literature and true info for the m14 so we rely on our CGN community. The DVD should show everything needed to know in bright , clear easy to hear and see , video, no frills, just the goods.
This coupled with an M1 clinic should there be one in your area..... and you'll be thankin yer stars you didn't get the paranoia bug and sell yer m14s
 
45ACPKING said:
I have found a professional video guy and a guy who specializing in making said video internet friendly..... over the coming couple months i'm going to sit down and make a "m14s for dummies" DVD. Don't let all the recent goings on with regards to this rifle blowing up thread, get everyone's knickers in a knot thinking thier rinco is going to blow up.
The clinics are great, and hungry's clinic DVD downloads are fantastic.... must have stuff. This is by no means a critic remark but... for average joe, the clinic dvd's can be tough to really glean info from redily unless watched over and over. Some of us pick it up right away..... others maybe not so much. Hard to get a lot of literature and true info for the m14 so we rely on our CGN community. The DVD should show everything needed to know in bright , clear easy to hear and see , video, no frills, just the goods.
This coupled with an M1 clinic should there be one in your area..... and you'll be thankin yer stars you didn't get the paranoia bug and sell yer m14s
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Thats excellent news 45acpking, keep up the hard work its greatly appreciated in the community.

Cheers Buddy!:)
 
45ACPKING said:
I have found a professional video guy and a guy who specializing in making said video internet friendly..... over the coming couple months i'm going to sit down and make a "m14s for dummies" DVD. Don't let all the recent goings on with regards to this rifle blowing up thread, get everyone's knickers in a knot thinking thier rinco is going to blow up.
The clinics are great, and hungry's clinic DVD downloads are fantastic.... must have stuff. This is by no means a critic remark but... for average joe, the clinic dvd's can be tough to really glean info from redily unless watched over and over. Some of us pick it up right away..... others maybe not so much. Hard to get a lot of literature and true info for the m14 so we rely on our CGN community. The DVD should show everything needed to know in bright , clear easy to hear and see , video, no frills, just the goods.
This coupled with an M1 clinic should there be one in your area..... and you'll be thankin yer stars you didn't get the paranoia bug and sell yer m14s
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Thanks for the info, very apreciated and i will really like to get my hands on one of these DVDs, just so that i can get alot of these things straight. I mean I understand alot of what was said in the thread, i'm not a complete complete noob to firearms and i have done alot of reading over the years, it's just that after reading the 19 plus pages, all in one night, of this thread, it gets a little worrysome, that there is alot of stuff to know about these great rifles, and we civies, don't get no military training to know them. Don't get me wrong, i think that everyone should be able to have a choice of what firearm they want in this country, but I think it would be a good idea that the ones that sell these things, take a little bit more responsibility, in making sure that everyone who buys a battlerifle, knows the IMPORTANT stuff. You know, "don't give a knife to a child". All of you here, seem to know your ####. Thats great, and it helps us all, but people like me who are starting out getting rifles like these, need to know ALOT about some of the pitfalls and dangers that these rifles can bring to the average gun owner. This forum has ALOT of info, and i thank you all for your contributions, but if i dont know WHAT can happen to begin with, i won't go looking for a fix. There needs to be some kind of all inclusive "New Battlerifle Owner" manual that will give us the most important info that we need to prevent accidents. Fabrice, at FabSports could have told me that there is a problem with swaping out my original stock for a USGI one, just so that I am aware that i would need to look up some things. Marstar, could have some kinda basic manual, or at least direct people here to learn before you buy, or wait for your gun to arrive. I mean, I think it should be their responsability to at least point us in the right direction, not just "give the knife to the child" and say, "have fun". Am I wrong in saying this, some would probably say, "they don't have to", ya ok, they don't, but when you run a good bussiness, and command respect, like they do here, a little help to the new guy might not be a bad idea, just to make sure he is a return customer.....get my drift!! Thanks to all for this thread, I have seen the light, and i will take my Norc a little more seriously!!

Regards to all
P.S Damn i'm glad you didn't get hurt "Dogleg", or hurt anyone else. It gave us a chance to realize that these things are damn fun, but also must be "serious fun". Thanks!!! I mean that!!
 
Firing Pin Bridge

I would like to ask Savage if the Firing Pin bridge is supose to stop the pin from stricking the primer , i have read about improperly machined bridges on other military carbines of similar design (ei: M1 grands, M1 carbines, M14/M1A). Could the bridge be poorly machined
http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/safety.html

Check the receiver and see if its the way the bridge was machined that is at fault.

and to the rest of the experts out there can this condition be repaired, whats the best way to test a rifle to see if its falty because if bad machining practices
 
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I would like to ask Savage if the Firing Pin bridge is suppose to stop the pin from striking the primer , i have read about improperly machined bridges on other military carbines of similar design (IE: M1 grands, M1 carbines, M14/M1A). Could the bridge be poorly machined
http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/safety.html

Check the receiver and see if its the way the bridge was machined that is at fault.

and to the rest of the experts out there can this condition be repaired, whats the best way to test a rifle to see if its faulty because if bad machining practices
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Yes it is ,However in reality all things made it to can be faulty the issue is that the timing comes into play the Bridge functions to ways it is designed too prevent firing when out of battery as well as prevent the rifle from firing when the firing pin is seized or stuck .
Yes this problem is attributed to poor maching practices. Is it possible to repair ? I would believe so ,However I believe the costs are very prohibitive in performing this work
 
I would like to ask Savage if the Firing Pin bridge is supose to stop the pin from stricking the primer , i have read about improperly machined bridges on other military carbines of similar design (ei: M1 grands, M1 carbines, M14/M1A). Could the bridge be poorly machinedhttp://www.m1carbinesinc.com/safety.html

Check the receiver and see if its the way the bridge was machined that is at fault.

and to the rest of the experts out there can this condition be repaired, whats the best way to test a rifle to see if its falty because if bad machining practices
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Yes they are probably all faulty, or very close to it.

I will dispose of all dangerous m305's and poorly machined, assembled or questionable guns and parts as a service to my fellow CGN's...
 
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