Norinco M4
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DrakeriderCa
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Get with the program! Look at the forward assist. It's not on the carry handleAnd think about it - people buying a sub-$1000 AR aren't going to run out and buy a $1000 ACOG and might well need the irons
Why not? I'll be buying one and throwing an ACOG on it. I don't need to play Barbie dress-up, and I don't care how the gun looks. It'll be spending time on the range instead of in hero pictures on the internet.
As long as it shoots alright (And if the M14S is an indication, it probably will), it'll fulfill my needs.
Like Wes said (and what I thought of earlier but didn't post) ... for less than 1200$ easy, you get a complete rifle with optics for fun at the range. I'm definitely waiting to see what Marstar has to offer, but if they take more than 2 months to show up, Lever might get my business.
After all, this is a range toy I want to have for the summer. I'm factoring in the "two month" waiting period (even though I've already had an AR) in there, so that doesn't give them too much time.
After all, this is a range toy I want to have for the summer. I'm factoring in the "two month" waiting period (even though I've already had an AR) in there, so that doesn't give them too much time.
Drakeriderca: I agree with ya... I'm painting my Norinco-Plinko M4 a coyote tan (which is likely the new black)
My AR's get used on the ranges and hardly see the full length mirror in my wife's closet...
Bring on the M4's!!
My AR's get used on the ranges and hardly see the full length mirror in my wife's closet...
Bring on the M4's!!
Drakeriderca: I agree with ya... I'm painting my Norinco-Plinko M4 a coyote tan (which is likely the new black)
My AR's get used on the ranges and hardly see the full length mirror in my wife's closet...
Bring on the M4's!!
Well I thought only my wife’s shops by pretty
Everyone always seems to complain about Marstar...well their prices are NEVER the reason. He is generally the best bet for Norinco products as he will also warranty everything personally for one year. I'll be getting my M4 from him.
#1bcshooter
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Everyone complains because they are always out of stock of 85% of the stuff on there web site .
Clobbersauras
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heavenIsAlie
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yea but you got a deal on that one
Gimme a break. You can buy a brand new Stag in the use for $700-800. Are you telling me craptacular Chinese stuff should be priced similarly to a new commercial US AR? Hell no.
AR's have been overpriced by as much as 60% in this country for over 10 years. Wait and see. These same gun will sell at Canadaammo and Marstar for nearly half the Lever price, as per usual for all Norinco stuff. Then the price of the other AR platforms will have to plummet or they will never sell.
That's the whole point!!!
claven, all i hear is ##### ##### ##### ##### #####.... why don't you go get an export/import permit then and bring the USA guns in yourself.
the fact of the matter is Lever has guns in stock NOW... not 3-4 months away, not on some boat in the middle of the atlantic, they have guns in stock now for an "ok" price.
sure why don't you wait, see if/when marstars arrive.... that is your perogative.
overpriced... as I said, the minute you start a buisness and start importing guns then you can set the price, don't you think it a little wierd all the dealers are within $100 of each other for US imported guns ?? because they all pay the same costs. Questar has led the charge on lowering glock prices..... don't you think they would have done the same with ar15's if they could ??
finally I found someone who talks more crap then I do... and its you claven2
I have never in my time on gunnuttz seen a used AR of any make for $700-$800 used in the EE or anywhere for that matter.
I do agree with you though ARs' are over priced up here , when you look at the gun buyers guide rand new AR in the states for around 7 or 8 hundred , same gun here , like $1400 or $1500. I do not think though that the norc AR's are going to bring down the price of other NA manuacture rifles , the M-305 did not in anyway make people sell their sprigfields for less.
The idea that Norinco (or any other brand) is going to "bring down the price of other NA manufacture rifles" seems to display a misunderstanding of why prices are what they are... I think it's naive and just wishful thinking.
The pricing of NA manufactured rifles (ie U.S. Made) is based on the US Dealer Cost, the currency exchange rate, the export permit costs, transport costs, brokerage costs. Those are all set costs that have NOTHING to do with the Canadian importer/dealer nor are they in any way affected by the price of a Norinco rifle. The ONLY factor that is controlled by the Canadian dealer is the margin (profit) that he adds onto the cost and thereby sets his retail selling price. That part he can adjust.
But here's the point... Dealers in this country try to add enough profit to cover all of their operating costs (rent, heat, insurance, labour costs, phone, etc.) and still have money left over (that's the profit) so they can take home a pay cheque for all their risk and efforts. Cheaper Norinco AR's won't change what a dealer has to make profit on his NA rifles to stay in business. If he drops the price of his NA rifles all he is doing is getting rid of his inventory and trying to reduce his losses... he won't re-order and he won't order more. In fact he won't stay in business... not selling NA rifles anyway.
I sell my products at the prices that I need to get in order to cover my costs and make a profit... yes I make money doing what I do... I'm not ashamed of it and I don't apologize for it. If I can't sell my AR's for what I need to get then I blow-out the ones left in stock and I move on to something else... or I shut down the business and lay on a beach somewhere warm.
If I could buy NA rifles cheaper (and thereby sell them cheaper) then I'd already be doing it... I think I drive a pretty hard bargain with my suppliers... I think every other importer and dealer in Canada does the same thing. It's beyond me what makes people think that all of a sudden a $500 or $700 or $900 Norinco AR will change the pricing structure of RRA, or STAG or Bushmaster or LMT or COLT, etc. They couldn't care less... DPMS has backorders for over 100,000 rifles (that's over a years production). If you called them up today and told them you'd order 1,000 guns but you need a better "deal" because you need to compete with Norinco, the guys at DPMS would fall off their chairs laughing at you.
If all that mattered was price then I'd dump every AR we have and shut down the business... either that or jump on the Norinco band-wagon and eventually the only gun that dealers would have would be Norinco... until some other company offered a cheaper one. Thankfully price is NOT all that matters. Brand, quality, cosmetics, features, materials, durability, all matter... even perception... they all play a factor.
I think the new Norinco AR's are great... I honestly do. I think it offers many shooters an opportunity to get an AR and have fun with a much lower entry point than was previously possible... an entry point that previously was beyond their means. I won't sell any less AR's because of the Norinco's... we sell every AR we can get our hands on... in fact I suspect that over time we'll sell more. As new shooters start with a Norinco and learn the joys of AR's... they'll move on... trade "up" if you will and eventually buy other brands. I think that's great for the industry.
As for other brand's prices being driven down... well I just don't see that... I wish it was true but don't see how that's going to happen.
Just my .02 cents worth (I hope it's still worth that much
).Mark
