Norinco NP-22 or Sig 226?

[ian_in_vic]

Also I hear that Norinco uses a different steel for thier slides (5100 tool grade as opposed to 4140 ordinance grade), and I think this might have alot to do with price as well, however I could be horribly mistaken.

Actually, 5100 is a better steel for handguns (and firearms in general) the problem is that it's harder to machine, and unless you happen to be making firearms in the world's largest carbide cutter producing country, this makes it too expensive to use. Now, can you guess which country produces most of the world's carbide cutters?

 

[Globetrotter]

I have not seen one Norinco with rails. I had the NP-22 and didn't have any. Do you have pictures of this beast?

Colin,
Well now, I do not know what YOU mean with not having rails?
What I mean are inner rails in the slide and corresponding rails
on the frame.
What am I missing here ??

Did you mean OUTSIDE rails for attachments?

 

[Globetrotter]

Actually, 5100 is a better steel for handguns (and firearms in general) the problem is that it's harder to machine, and unless you happen to be making firearms in the world's largest carbide cutter producing country, this makes it too expensive to use. Now, can you guess which country produces most of the world's carbide cutters?

Yes, the 5100 series of steel is quite superior to the 4140 series
but quite more expensive to machine. Harder and tougher too.
As Mainland China makes them as Ian "hinted" already,
we definitively benefit from it.
China's Metalurgical industry is second to none.
Germany imports from there too.
For half their OWN cost ??........ So would I !

 

[DAR 701]

Colin,
Well now, I do not know what YOU mean with not having rails?
What I mean are inner rails in the slide and corresponding rails
on the frame.
What am I missing here ??

Did you mean OUTSIDE rails for attachments?

I am pretty sure he means the outside rail under the dust cover for attaching flashlights and what have you.

 

[Colin]

Colin,
Well now, I do not know what YOU mean with not having rails?
What I mean are inner rails in the slide and corresponding rails
on the frame.
What am I missing here ??

Did you mean OUTSIDE rails for attachments?

I was under the impression that you were speaking about rails for mounting lights/lasers etc.

 

[gobrob]

Colin was responding to the post by me, gobrob, that 'globetrotter' responded to, that he had a Norc "with rail's, just like the original."
I was referring to the 'accessory rail' such as the Sig226R (RAIL) that has an accessory rail that you can mount lights/like Colin responded as well......

Again, if someone has a norc with a 'rail' (ACCESSORY RAIL), not a frame rail that most guns have, let me know!!

 

[gobrob]

Dude you have a P99 as your picture! Talk about expensive hole punchers! Sorry gobrob had to bug you about this comment. (PS. I have one too. LOL)

Ace, i sold the P99(my first gun)as soon as i had shot about 20 others with better triggers!!
I was just caught up in the hype, and bought before i tried.......!!
I do have to say though, if i was rich, i'd prob have 2-P99's....
Yes, i change my mind alllllllll the time.........
Rob

 

[Globetrotter]

OK, you're a gun snob!

Gun snobs ? yes they exist and it is a good thing sometimes,
as they "perpetuate" the sales of certain guns. Nothing wrong.

Almost everybody knows, but nobody mentions that it is the labor cost
which keeps the prices either very high or very low, but same quality
and in some cases even more so....
If China had to pay the same hourly wage rate as in the West, their guns
would be on par with our production costs. That includes Brasil too.

Their technical skill is as high as ours. I had many opportunities to see
all kinds of different high Tech machinery with top grade CNC expertise
included.

 

[Globetrotter]

Colin was responding to the post by me, gobrob, that 'globetrotter' responded to, that he had a Norc "with rail's, just like the original."
I was referring to the 'accessory rail' such as the Sig226R (RAIL) that has an accessory rail that you can mount lights/like Colin responded as well......

Again, if someone has a norc with a 'rail' (ACCESSORY RAIL), not a frame rail that most guns have, let me know!!

Why can't those external rails not milled into a normal SIG.?
Anyone ever measured the depth of the ext. rails ? (and length?)
There should be enough "meat" left to do so. Please let me know...
It would be a 10 minute milling job with a contoured end-mill, set-up
included.
Just curious .........

 

[proonur]

I think I'm going to have to buy a Norc and a Sig, just because as I read these comments I agree with EVERYONE! lol
What's a guy to do? I want to be smart and not spend $1K to punch holes in paper when the Norc will do that, but I want the Ferrari just in case someday I want to drive 300 mph... y'know?... yup... I think I'm gonna have to buy both for some reason, which makes each pistol cost the same thing: $1000 + $350 = $1350/2 = $675?

So now my Norinco costs $675!!??! what a ripoff!!... Oh, but wait! I just got a NIB Sig 226 for $675!!! Super deal!

I've lost my mind reading this thread.

 

[Dsiwy]

am getting a norc for sure and if it dies after 2000rds oh well its was just 350 bucks.
I will be putting in a real return spring in just incase. I think it will last longer then the cheap chinese one and hopefully pervent the slide from battering the frame.

 

[Jeff/1911]

I too am considering buying a Norinco P226 copy, although I have owned several "real" Sigs...just to see what this is all about.

The experience I have had with Norinco in the past is 100% positive.

 

[Trigun]

Can someone give me the honest facts about the difference between a norinco knock off or the real Sig, other than the $800 difference.

Finish, accuracy, mechanics, reliability???

I've only seen the Sig, and loved it.

But what makes it worth $800 more than the Norcinco?

Thanks for the help

That different show up at the accuracy, reliable, workmanship and durablity. When a shooter focus on very little tighter grouping, more accurate gun, money will suddenly become no object. I didn't have a Sig because Sig didn't really work for me. If you are seeking something can really shoot well,, you may want to take a look of the CZ and glock line pistol. a little more than than Norinco but well worth buck.
Trigun

 

[KyleM]

I should point out that Questar has P266R-9-B NIB for $899.95...

 

[painbringer]

That would mean approx. 16.5 thousand rounds per gun.
I believe that.
Yet the NP 22 that I bought last year has now reached 9000 rounds, also
with help from wife and local RCMP. Still the same shape. So far-so good.
Should it brake down I shall mention it in this forum and with details.
If I can, I would like to shoot it to pieces before the warranty year is over.
Just to settle the question for myself.
By the way, I am very pleased to tell you that my "forced" experiment with
a steel insert into the right frame rail (original broke off) still works very well
It proves one thing: The Sig Sauer does as well with only half the right
frame rail and doesn't seem to depend on the total rail length for accuracy.
You wished me well for my "experiment" . It happened, thank you .

give us an update, how many rounds did you put through it now???