Norinco Type 97 FAQ (small update 01/04/09)
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If you're asking me for a link to a thread on this site regarding my previous post, unfortunately I don't have one. However, I do have a personal email from a dealer who stated he'd be heading to a meeting sometime this month in Ottawa to discuss classification issues, with the implication appearing to be that there was hope of progress with issues such as the T97. However, as that dealer didn't specifically give me permission to use his name, even though he probably wouldn't care, I'm going to take the safer route of not naming him.
I was hoping someone else knew more than me and could shed some light...
Clobbersauras
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That scope mount is interesting. Not see through, like mine
, and I question why it hangs over the end of the rear sight, as I find the LOP on the 97 to be quite short.
And here's what every Type 97A owners want....... a cantilever mount!
Looks like this operator have a hard time to aim with his EOTech lol
LOL That's not an EoTech, that's just a reflex red-dot.
I wonder if I ever get to see a proper type 95 in 5.8mm that'd be HOT!
RCMP
I like how this only cost about 1/3 of the cost of a Tavor LMAO
Secretly the RCMP wish they have bullpup for law enforcement use but couldn't so they will hold on to this shipment until some new law is passed and they could have this for themselves!!! MWWWHAHAHAHAAA See the evil scheme behind this? Cower in Fear!!!
Clobbersauras
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Nope and nope. But a kydex shell deflector was in the works by member Deckard.
Long time lurker, first time poster. I know this doesn't get the RCMP to be any more reasonable but for the curious, the type 95"A2" variant as it were has been seen in service with the PLA with some minor changes.
Immediate visible changes are.
1) Front sight is altered now with two small mounts for accessories.
2) Five evenly spaced cooling holes as opposed to the original six (in three pairs).
3) Front grip design has been slightly angled to likely improve grip.
4) Trigger guard changed to more traditional design, the original mini vertical grip is gone from the standard type 95 and is more similar to export variants (though a little different still).
5) Carrying handle has been reinforced.
6) Fire selector/safety has been moved from original rearward position to trigger area.
7) Trigger been slightly altered aesthetically speaking. No longer angled upwards to meet fore grip.
8) Magazine release altered.
9) Cheek rest area slightly elevated, improving cheek weld when using optics. (Clobbersaurus' recommendation of low sitting sights seems to have been taken to heart!)
10) Oh and the barrel may or may not have been changed to fire the heavier 77 grain 5.8mm projectile as standard as opposed to the 64.
All in all, several small well due changes to improve the type 95 assault rifle. My one disappointment is that carrying handle was not just replaced entirely with a rail and the fore grip as well instead of two tiny little attachment points below the front sight. No big loss as the PLA doesn't use U.S./Nato mounting systems nor can it afford to arm all it's infantry with ACOGs, but still it would have been nice to have. Save possible export customers the trouble of having to mount awkward third party rail attachments.
Oh and happy Chinese New Year everyone.
Immediate visible changes are.
1) Front sight is altered now with two small mounts for accessories.
2) Five evenly spaced cooling holes as opposed to the original six (in three pairs).
3) Front grip design has been slightly angled to likely improve grip.
4) Trigger guard changed to more traditional design, the original mini vertical grip is gone from the standard type 95 and is more similar to export variants (though a little different still).
5) Carrying handle has been reinforced.
6) Fire selector/safety has been moved from original rearward position to trigger area.
7) Trigger been slightly altered aesthetically speaking. No longer angled upwards to meet fore grip.
8) Magazine release altered.
9) Cheek rest area slightly elevated, improving cheek weld when using optics. (Clobbersaurus' recommendation of low sitting sights seems to have been taken to heart!)
10) Oh and the barrel may or may not have been changed to fire the heavier 77 grain 5.8mm projectile as standard as opposed to the 64.
All in all, several small well due changes to improve the type 95 assault rifle. My one disappointment is that carrying handle was not just replaced entirely with a rail and the fore grip as well instead of two tiny little attachment points below the front sight. No big loss as the PLA doesn't use U.S./Nato mounting systems nor can it afford to arm all it's infantry with ACOGs, but still it would have been nice to have. Save possible export customers the trouble of having to mount awkward third party rail attachments.
Oh and happy Chinese New Year everyone.
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Clobbersauras
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Great first post Jing. The only problem I see is that the Type 95 is not the type 97 (their export version of the 95). Though the 97 could probably be fitted with some of the upgrades, they would have to thoroughly redesign the 97 receiver as well. AFAIK, China will not export anything chambered in the 5.8.
Anything is possible though I guess. I'd love to see a 97 with the mag release and fire controls changed to something that at least made sense.
Clobbersauras
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nope.
CanadianReich
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From what I gather the Type 97 thats for sale is this one
http://www.enemyforces.net/firearms/qbz95.htm
IE the full sized non restricted one not the restricted sized one in the photo at Canada Ammo.
Am I correct?
I much prefer the looks of the full sized Type 97 over the restricted version...the little grip in front of the trigger looks pretty sweet
http://www.enemyforces.net/firearms/qbz95.htm
IE the full sized non restricted one not the restricted sized one in the photo at Canada Ammo.
Am I correct?
I much prefer the looks of the full sized Type 97 over the restricted version...the little grip in front of the trigger looks pretty sweet
CanadianReich
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" There is one more variant of the QBZ-95 Assault Rifle - the QBZ-97. This model is chambered for a standard NATO 5.56 x 45 mm (.223 Rem) cartridge and is intended for export."
So for my confusion, the web site I linked (above) made me think the QBZ 97/Type 97 was merely the for-export civilian .223 version of the Chinese military's QBZ 95/Type 95 in 5.8 x 42 mm.
This site too
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as39-e.htm
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Update:
This site cleared things up for me, I think: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QBZ-95#Civilian_Variants
"Two sporterized, semi-automatic only rifles based upon the QBZ-97A assault rifle and the QBZ-97B assault carbine have been developed for the civilian market, the Type 97 rifle and the Type 97A carbine. "
QBZ-97A = Type 97 = the non restricted version you are selling
QBZ-97B = Type 97A = the restricted version you were selling
The "A" had me tricked into thinking the QBZ 97A = Type 97A
So for my confusion, the web site I linked (above) made me think the QBZ 97/Type 97 was merely the for-export civilian .223 version of the Chinese military's QBZ 95/Type 95 in 5.8 x 42 mm.
This site too
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as39-e.htm
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Update:
This site cleared things up for me, I think: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QBZ-95#Civilian_Variants
"Two sporterized, semi-automatic only rifles based upon the QBZ-97A assault rifle and the QBZ-97B assault carbine have been developed for the civilian market, the Type 97 rifle and the Type 97A carbine. "
QBZ-97A = Type 97 = the non restricted version you are selling
QBZ-97B = Type 97A = the restricted version you were selling
The "A" had me tricked into thinking the QBZ 97A = Type 97A
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......and yet it appears that you haven't been here lately
:http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=432280
CanadianReich
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MechaStalin, Im not sure that would have been a good thing. I just go this email today:
> WARNING, your rights are being attacked!
>
> Now, you may ask yourself, "What does this have to do with CCW in Canada?"
> While this is not directly CCW related, it is a direct assault on all of
> us as firearms owners.
>
> For those who are unaware of the current crisis that is unfolding in
> Canada. Let me present you with a Readers Digest condensed version:
>
> Approximately 3 years ago, the RCMP issued a FRT number to allow the
> Norinco T-97 rifles to be imported and sold in Canada. Three years later,
> these same bureaucrats, have decided to PROHIBIT WITHOUT COMPENSATION
> these same firearms. To me this is "theft", and theft is illegal for you
> or I, but apparently the government can get away with it.
>
> They are revoking the firearms certificates of the T-97's and giving the
> owners 30 days to either surrender the firearms or to sell them to a movie
> company (to make evil baby-killing movies). These legitimate firearms
> owners have well over $1000 invested in these firearms. This is the same
> as if the government dipped their fingers into your wallet and stole
> $1000+ dollars from it. If you or I did this to someone, we would be
> arrested on the spot.
>
> These firearms were purchased with monies that income taxes were paid on,
> as well as GST, PST or HST as the case may be.
>
> The T-97 fiasco is only the tip of the iceberg, it WILL NOT end there.
> What will be next on their agenda? The Mini-14? The M-14, the M-1, SKS,
> CZ858???
>
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT>
> Remember this: The government has what it takes, to take what you have.
> I've given more than enough.
>
> Stay safe,
>
> Norman "Griffon" Lapierre
> President
> Canadian Association for Self Defence
> PO Box 66
> Saint-Constant, QC
> J5A 2G1
> (514) 575-3890
> admin@canadacarry.org
> WARNING, your rights are being attacked!
>
> Now, you may ask yourself, "What does this have to do with CCW in Canada?"
> While this is not directly CCW related, it is a direct assault on all of
> us as firearms owners.
>
> For those who are unaware of the current crisis that is unfolding in
> Canada. Let me present you with a Readers Digest condensed version:
>
> Approximately 3 years ago, the RCMP issued a FRT number to allow the
> Norinco T-97 rifles to be imported and sold in Canada. Three years later,
> these same bureaucrats, have decided to PROHIBIT WITHOUT COMPENSATION
> these same firearms. To me this is "theft", and theft is illegal for you
> or I, but apparently the government can get away with it.
>
> They are revoking the firearms certificates of the T-97's and giving the
> owners 30 days to either surrender the firearms or to sell them to a movie
> company (to make evil baby-killing movies). These legitimate firearms
> owners have well over $1000 invested in these firearms. This is the same
> as if the government dipped their fingers into your wallet and stole
> $1000+ dollars from it. If you or I did this to someone, we would be
> arrested on the spot.
>
> These firearms were purchased with monies that income taxes were paid on,
> as well as GST, PST or HST as the case may be.
>
> The T-97 fiasco is only the tip of the iceberg, it WILL NOT end there.
> What will be next on their agenda? The Mini-14? The M-14, the M-1, SKS,
> CZ858???
>
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT>
> Remember this: The government has what it takes, to take what you have.
> I've given more than enough.
>
> Stay safe,
>
> Norman "Griffon" Lapierre
> President
> Canadian Association for Self Defence
> PO Box 66
> Saint-Constant, QC
> J5A 2G1
> (514) 575-3890
> admin@canadacarry.org
