Norwegian K98 Re-issues

Actually, The current small crop of Norwegian mausers selling in the $700 range were brought in just a few monthas ago when the dollar was over 90 cents and they came from GERMANY - not the USA. Our dollar was strong against the Euro then too.

It's not a currency thing. It's a supply vs. demand thing. They are $700 do to scracity, demand, and the fact that these are the nicest mausers to hit the market since the East German reworks dried up almost 10 years ago.
 
Claven2 said:
I assume you mean the M954. If so, they were NOT manufactured in Brasil. They are DWM and Mauser made M1908's and M1935's that were the most badly worn rifles in inventory at the time (1954). The Itajuba arsenal stripper the actions, scrubbed them, parked them, installed new barrels and usually new (lower quality) stocks, and stamped them M954. They did NOT manufacture any Mauser receivers. They are a brazilian made rifle only in the sense that a Finnish Mosin is a Finnish made rifle.
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That matches the one I had. It had serious headspace issues, and the stock looked like it was used to drive railway spikes. It also had a very soft action and a gunsmith who was attempting to remove the barrel colapsed the action just a bit over the bolt locking lugs.
The action seemed to be just a bit longer than the 8x57 and there is no cutout for the nose of .30/06 bullets in stripper clips.
Thank you very much for the additional information.
 
The actions are likely a tad soft because they were made in 1914 timeframe for 7x57 Mauser, not .30-06 after 40 years of hard use. Also, the Brazilians surface ground them to scrub the receivers, and likely cut through the original case hardening. I suspect their rehardening process was less than ideal.
 
10x said:
Regarding the Brazilian 98s manufactured in 30/06 in Brasil, I have yet to see one that looked like an M14 clone. Could you post a photo please?
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he's probably thinking of the M968.
 
Stevo said:
FR8's a great little gun. Don't have one of those either, Coyote Ugly?
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How's this one Stevo? ;) It's one of my favorites, and all original.

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BTW: that's not technically a German military K98k. It appears to be either a Standard Model (export model) or a Karabiner Fur Deutches Reichspost. I can't tell without a shot of either the sidewall or the bolt handle.

It's pretty, but it's not collectible by your definition since it's not German military issue.

A real German issue military K98k looks something like this:
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And here's some receiver detail of the Norwegian K98k's you dislike so much, in this case a less common air force model:
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The Karabiner fur Deutches Reichspost and the Karabiner fur Deutches Reichsbahn are the same rifle, just branded differently on the buttstock :)

Do you have a closeup of the stock brand? Despite not technically been rifles of the Heer, they are still very nice rifles - as finely made as any german sporter of the day.
 
While agree that some DRP and DR rifle were diverted to the SS and SA, that was back when the SS/SA were paramilitary units, not actual military forces. The SA never became a military service, and the SS only became so well after the start of hostilities.

Many, perhaps most, DRP and DR rifles actually did serve guarding postal and state-owned trains. I suspect your rifle really did spend the war guarding a railhead somewhere as it certainly doesn't show signs of battle use by the SS.
 
Taking It Back

Coyote Ugly said:
The Canadian Vet found it inside a closet, inside a building in Germany. That's why it's in such good shape.
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Hey Ugly did the vet happen to find a copy of Mein Kempf in that closet too? I want my thread back. Stop arguing what is a collectible mauser or not. So what you have a vet bring back. It's nice but so are all the re-works.

Supply and command just like Rickie says will determine their values.

Now what about those FN manufactured mausers like the Colombian carbine in 30.06. It looks very similar to a G 33/40. There were many of them made short like that for a bunch of South American countries, and I have not been able to find too much information about these FN made Mausers. But they sure look pretty cool, and are true carbines with 18 inch barrels.

But Ugly probably will hate them for lots of reasons. Me I WANT ONE:D
 
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Hey Ugly did the vet happen to find a copy of Mein Kempf in that closet too? Well K98Action,The German Soldier was Humping your Copy of Mein Kampf in the Closet and a Norwegian K98. They needed a 6 foot crowbar to get him off of it before they hauled him away to the funny farm. Sad state of affairs back then!I want my thread back. It's all yours Big Fella! :dancingbanana:
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Coyote Ugly said:
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Cool, your vet bring back has some history and stories to go with it...:) That should increase its value immensely.

Now stop hating these reworks.. Granted of all the reworks out there, the RC's may be the worst conditioned lot of them all, but one has to remember where they potentially came from and how.

It is quite possible that someone out there has an RC that was captured at Stalingrad, due to the Capitulation of the German 6th Army during one of the bloodiest and meanest battle fronts in modern history. That in of itself is makes an RC an important and must have for my collection.

NUF SAID.

Same for the Norwegians.. How did a Norwegian Re-work even exist? Well Germany invaded and occupied Norway during WWII. It's history. THE Norwegian in my collection represents German military actions in Norway during WWII.

What more does one have to say about that?

Just like your Vet Bring back, its history is in that it was a German Mauser that a Canadian Vet found. So one can say it is in my collection and here is its history.

An Israeli mauser as already pointed out by someone is very interesting too, because it started life out as a Nazi weapon, then it ended up being used by the very people that it was used against and some may argue why WWII started in the first place... Some still have intact Nazi markings along with Israeli markings. Very collectable in my opinion.

You see ugly, all these Mausers tell a story, and to say they are not collectable or somehow not original does not make any sense. Ultimately they ended up being what they are today due to what they were then...:evil:
 
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The one thing that no one mentioned so far is the sanded and stained stocks on the Norwegian K98's, which I am surprised no one picked up on. Now, it's not one of those things that are as obvious as the fly cut receiver for the word HAER, or the milled out section for the .30-06 bullet, but it's worth mentioning as it's part of the Norwegian Rework
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Let me quote from another Forum regarding Norwegian Stocks.

For sure it is a Norwegian refurbished stock. Sanded and then coated with a yellow/amber shellac type stain.


He (a seller on eBay) sells tons of these Norwegian rework stocks- many are belt sanded and shellaced, but still exibit crisp bolt cutouts and edges. I'm not sure how they did it, but the ones you normally see are like that- markings are shallow and sanded...

K98Action, there is a difference between "Not Collectable" and "Not as Collectable" as you seem to be twisting your story quite a bit.

You have to remember, any rifle that has it's barrel replaced or replaced in a different calibre, reblued, renumbered, stock sanded, shellaced or varnished, painted, milled or altered, ground parts, missing parts, mismatched parts, certainly is NOT as Collectable as an Original.

That pretty much sums up the RC and Norwegian K98.
 
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Yes, do quote another forum... Love those reliable sources... :rolleyes:

From personal experience (yes, I've fondled MANY of these guns over the years), about 50% are covered with a thin coat of varnish put on by the norwegians, presumably to make the stocks more weather resistant.

NONE of them are oil soaked and none of them have cosmolene under the wood, just thin gun oil. I've not seen a rusty one direct from surplus either FWIW.

About 50% of them were sanded at some point, likely because the stocks were beat up enough to require sanding when the rework was done. FYI, the Germans also scraped and/or sanded stocks at rebuild.

Also, about 60% of them have a hardwood re-inforcing dowel through the trigger web about where the bolt dish cut is. This is also Norwegian army done, much like the milled flat on the receiver. Frankly, it's an intelligent modification that the Germans SHOULD have done as stocks frequently split there.

Here's some random P&S examples that clearly aren't sanded nor stained as you claim:
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Perhaps you should consult books or the owners of these guns and not vague internet posting on another forum. Doing otherwise tends to make you look like an unreliable source for future reference.
 
Claven2 said:
Yes, do quote another forum... Love those reliable sources... :rolleyes:

From personal experience (yes, I've fondled MANY of these guns over the years), about 50% are covered with a thin coat of varnish put on by the norwegians, presumably to make the stocks more weather resistant.

NONE of them are oil soaked and none of them have cosmolene under the wood, just thin gun oil. I've not seen a rusty one direct from surplus either FWIW.

About 50% of them were sanded at some point, likely because the stocks were beat up enough to require sanding when the rework was done. FYI, the Germans also scraped and/or sanded stocks at rebuild.

Also, about 60% of them have a hardwood re-inforcing dowel through the trigger web about where the bolt dish cut is. This is also Norwegian army done, much like the milled flat on the receiver. Frankly, it's an intelligent modification that the Germans SHOULD have done as stocks frequently split there.

Here's some random P&S examples that clearly aren't sanded nor stained as you claim:
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Perhaps you should consult books or the owners of these guns and not vague internet posting on another forum. Doing otherwise tends to make you look like an unreliable source for future reference.
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Shall I name the source and the forum? You know him.

Anyways, people should know what they are buying and what to look for.
Its only a critique of the rifle.
Are you a dealer that owns some of these rifles as you seem really defensive about what is common knowledge about them?

Anyways what you said and my 2 highlighted quotes were exactly the same.
It sounds like a 50/50 chance of getting a sanded one.
Those look good at P&S that you posted.

The WaffenAmts would be shallow too if they were sanded.

I can even send you the link re:Norwegian Rifles if you like.
 
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