Norwegian K98 Re-issues

Coyote Ugly said:
You have to remember, any rifle that has it's barrel replaced or replaced in a different calibre, reblued, renumbered, stock sanded, shellaced or varnished, painted, milled or altered, ground parts, missing parts, mismatched parts, certainly is NOT as Collectable as an Original.

That pretty much sums up the RC and Norwegian K98.

There are exceptions to that.

A Swedish M38 created by the Swedish Armouries by cutting down a M96 (aka M96/38), are the rarest of Swedish Mausers and all things being equal, are more valuable than the original M96 and definitely collectible.

I have a variant of the Dutch M95 Mannlicher Carbine (scarce in itself) that was converted to 303 Brit by the Dutch Armouries and had a muzzle brake attached - same as for the M96/38.

There are variants of the Commission Rifle M88 (M88/15?) that the Turks produced that are very scarce and command much more than an "original" German M88.

The Swedish M/40 Rifle (my Holy Grail) is a converted k98K - a handful exist.

We could come up with dozens more.

I want a Norwegian K98 - it's just not the top of my list right now. :) The problem of course is that if I wait too long, they'll all be gone.
 
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Coyote Ugly said:
Shall I name the source and the forum? You know him.

Anyways, people should know what they are buying and what to look for.
Its only a critique of the rifle.
Are you a dealer that owns some of these rifles as you seem really defensive about what is common knowledge about them?

Anyways what you said and my 2 highlighted quotes were exactly the same.
It sounds like a 50/50 chance of getting a sanded one.
Those look good at P&S that you posted.

The WaffenAmts would be shallow too if they were sanded.

I can even send you the link re:Norwegian Rifles if you like.

Yes, I know mrfarb. Great guy and renown expert on 1945 kriegsmodels, but he will be the first to admit he's no autority on Norwegian reworks.

Also, I would argue your statements in this thread are not critiques, but look more like trashing a very nice K98k variant because you feel your vet bringback DR karabiner is superior. And it likely is. But frankly, that's no reason to sh!t all over other guns that aren't event comparable. It's like saying all M1 garands are crap because you have a mint 1917 made M1903.

And no, I don't have any for sale. I only own one and it's MINE. And by the way, don't let my avatar fool you - I'm not a dealer at all. I'm a staff member at Milsurps.com and we are a contributing dealer because we run ads and auctions for guns, so we have to contribute $ here if we want to have a presence on CGN, if you must know.

I do know Jean Plamondon enough to carry on a goodly conversation with the fellow and I'll tell you this - if you want one with unsanded WaA's, he'll be all to happy to hand select one for you that meets that criteria. I know one of the above two rifles I posted is still for sale on his website, and there are likely others with unsanded stock markings too.
 
I just like K98's and try to find out as much about them, not trashing anyones K98 (that's an interesting but wrong perception) as they are what they are. I hope you guys take a fridge magnet to the car lot when buying a used car (ie:Bondo) just so you know what you're buying.

Not grandstanding at all. It's interesting how people react or over react, but it doesn't surprise me on this or any other forum. :eek:

I bought rifles from Jean too, a great guy to deal with.
 
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Coyote Ugly said:
The one thing that no one mentioned so far is the sanded and stained stocks on the Norwegian K98's, which I am, surprised no one picked up on. Now, it's not one of those things that are as obvious as the fly cut receiver for the word HAER, or the milled out section for the .30-06 bullet, but it's worth mentioning as its part of the Norwegian Rework
process.

Let me quote from another Forum regarding Norwegian Stocks.

For sure it is a Norwegian refurbished stock. Sanded and then coated with a yellow/amber shellac type stain.


He (a seller on eBay) sells tons of these Norwegian rework stocks- many are belt sanded and shellaced, but still exibit crisp bolt cutouts and edges. I'm not sure how they did it, but the ones you normally see are like that- markings are shallow and sanded...

K98Action, there is a difference between "Not Collectable" and "Not as Collectable" as you seem to be twisting your story quite a bit.

You have to remember, any rifle that has it's barrel replaced or replaced in a different calibre, reblued, renumbered, stock sanded, shellaced or varnished, painted, milled or altered, ground parts, missing parts, mismatched parts, certainly is NOT as Collectable as an Original.

That pretty much sums up the RC and Norwegian K98.

Well forgive me Ug.. "Not As Collectable"

But you see that is where you are somewhat twisted. Because Not As Collectable really only applies to the availability of the "More Collectable's"

If there were more "More Collectable's" As per your definition then Yes I agree. But as the stocks of available "Not As Collectable's" Mausers continues to shrink, then they suddenly now become "More Collectable" Mausers:) Get it.

And I also see how you conveniently bothered not to mention my concept of what it means to collect and keep in one's Mauser collection examples of RC's, Norwegians, Israeli’s etc for their historical value. That of representing the WWII German Army when and where for the rifle. That should not be overlooked. To ignore these Re-works as you seem to do is to ignore their Significance, which again is how they ended up being RC's or Norwegians in the first place.

Any of the changes that were completed by the Rework process were not bubba changes, but rather state Sanctioned processes. Some better than others. But again this only serves to detail how particular countries professional attitudes were. I would go on to say that for example one can plainly see how the communist system breeds a who cares attitude, as expressed in the mis-matched RC's. On the other hand I can see how the Norwegians under a democratic system, show the care and attention to detail in their Re-works.

These Mauser's tell not only a story of German origin but of the quality of workmanship in other countries as they received further care while in their custody.

If you want to limit your collection to vet bring back only Mauser's that is your choice. However I think this forum is not about criticizing those that choose to have an open mind for collecting Re-work Mausers for their personal reasons.

Also for your information I would not get all bent about the shallow Waffen Amp on the Norwegian wood, because I have a Vet bring back in the family that does not even have a Waffen amp stamp in the wood. So the shallow wa marks on the Norwegian is better than none.

And if you want orignal Wehrmacht issue Mauser's you will need to get something other than the bannhof special.. Although it is a nice rifle, it's military significance or use may not be anymore or less than any of my re-works.

The vet bring back in my family was picked up off a pile of surrendered Mausers by my grandfather. Not sitting out the war in a closet. But notice I am not trying to tell you which one is more collectable. They both are the same.:cool:
 
Did the Norwegians adopt the zf41 sniper? Or any other high turrets, low turrets, side rails, claw mounts?

That would be interesting, but the difference in bullet weights and velocities from 8mm to .30-06 (198gr to 150 gr) would have to be adjusted somewhat in the optics.

Certainly Norway ended up with K98 snipers, just what became of them?
 
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