Notice to S&W M&P 15-22 Rifle Owners

jdman said:
Dont you see the razz smilie Hokus? I was just buggin.
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Sorry, man. This news just had me feelin' a little bit short tempered. When I went to bed last night, I was, to the best of my knowledge, a law abiding citizen. Then I wake up, turn on my computer and find out I'm a f*cking criminal. A paper criminal. I've been legislated into a corner. SMH.
 
Hokus Grey said:
Sorry, man. This news just had me feelin' a little bit short tempered. When I went to bed last night, I was, to the best of my knowledge, a law abiding citizen. Then I wake up, turn on my computer and find out I'm a f*cking criminal. A paper criminal. I've been legislated into a corner. SMH.
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I know exactly how you feel.......

Yesterday was the first time I actually felt the 'urge' to rise up in arms against my gov't. :eek:

The feeling passed, after a few calming breaths..... What a week to quit smoking!
 
Will having a 12(6) allow me to legally keep a prohibated device (the mag). Yeah I know, wishfull thinking, just graspping at straws!
 
Lar pistol mags = designed for pistol = just so happens they fit in the rifle = legal

S&W rifle mags = designed for rifle = just so happens they fit in the pistol = illegal

Doesnt make sense to me! I guess it is S&W marketing that the RCMP are using as an excuse!

The mags were not designed for the pistol. The pistol was designed for the mags.

They are basically changing the ruling they had made about the LAR pistol mags. They are saying that it is no longer just the mag that matters it now matters what the mag is being used in.

The mag was clearly designed originally as a rifle mag for the M&P 15-22, and now because the pistol just so happens to accept the same mags they are changing their mind.

So by the same logic if a mag originally made for a pistol just so happens to fit in a rifle they could apply the same BS.

Someone simply needs to contact S&W and see if we can have them start stamping the mags with either a "pistol" or "carbine" designation!
 
JimV said:
I think I do understand the situation. I am not disagreeing with your statement that nothing has changed, but with your attitude of acceptance. I think you are basically saying "don't make a fuss and maybe they won't notice that ARs can have 10 round mags." I don't think that's a very good long term strategy to address manifest shortcomings in the law.

Also, I think this ruling has a very large potential downside. The LAR thing is almost a unique occurrence. There aren't going to be many other "pistols" that use center fire rifle cartridges and mags. But we already have the Ruger Charger and who knows what else in the works. If these accept "rifle" mags then the day of high cap .22 mags could be over. That would affect far more people than the LAR mag.
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I am not accepting anything? As far as the AR 10 round thing, they all know about the ARs being able to take the 10 round pistol mags and can't do anything about it unless they change the law.

Even Questar stated..

"The laws are stupid but the ruling is actually based in facts and not unreasonable"
 
mlehtovaara said:
Lar pistol mags = designed for pistol = just so happens they fit in the rifle = legal

S&W rifle mags = designed for rifle = just so happens they fit in the pistol = illegal

Doesnt make sense to me! I guess it is S&W marketing that the RCMP are using as an excuse!

The mags were not designed for the pistol. The pistol was designed for the mags.

They are basically changing the ruling they had made about the LAR pistol mags. They are saying that it is no longer just the mag that matters it now matters what the mag is being used in.

The mag was clearly designed originally as a rifle mag for the M&P 15-22, and now because the pistol just so happens to accept the same mags they are changing their mind.

So by the same logic if a mag originally made for a pistol just so happens to fit in a rifle they could apply the same BS.

Someone simply needs to contact S&W and see if we can have them start stamping the mags with either a "pistol" or "carbine" designation!
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It's because it's the SAME mag for both. Now if S&W made a mag of the same capacity for the pistol and made a mag of equal capacity for the rifle but labelled one for pistol and one for rifle then only the pistol mag would be prohibited here. If the LAR15 mag was more that 10 rounds it would be prohibited here if unpinned.
 
I'm going to call the CFO this week and ask about this. If I can't use my mags next weekend I'm going to be pretty bitter unless I can find somewhere locally currently selling the 10 rd. -.- I was at P&D yesterday where I bought my 15-22 but didn't check out the mag section.
 
TacticalTrunkMonkey said:
I'm going to call the CFO this week and ask about this. If I can't use my mags next weekend I'm going to be pretty bitter unless I can find somewhere locally currently selling the 10 rd. -.- I was at P&D yesterday where I bought my 15-22 but didn't check out the mag section.
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They may not be local for you but Questar sells the 50 rounders...

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Black Dog Machine - 50 round Drum magazine for S&W M&P 15-22 Rifles
(Pre-production factory units)
Stock 13
Price: $99.99
Retail Price: $109.99


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notsorichguy said:
I think we will have at last a month or more before we will be asked to surrender our mags (or prove they are limited cap.)

I wouldn't call anyone about this until you get a letter in the mail....
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Or until they show up on your front door after checking the registry to see who has the guns. And they KNOW you will have the magazine since it ships with the gun. It will go like this: 1) So you either surrender the mag to them on the spot & will of course be charged with possession of a prohibited item, and all your firearms and ammo will be confiscated, or 2) you will say the you don't have the mag anymore, and they will tear your home to pieces looking for it, if they find it, see 1), if they don't find it then 3) your house and property will be destroyed without recourse but you will still have your guns or 4) you immediately pin the magazine NOW so that when they come, and they will come, you will have it pinned. Whether they accept that pinning or not at least you have proven your willingness as a good sheep to comply. This is how they will get us. Death by a thousand cuts. This I think needs to be made the line in the sand, it is as good an issue as any. And it is a good time for it, since everyone I think is still upset due to the Conservative registry failure. Let's see them actually do something to deserve our votes, ENOUGH with the nonsense that they are our only friends, with friends like them who needs enemas (yes I said enemas because that is what we get from blind faith). Our fellow Canadian Gun Owners are our only friends and we are usually our own worst enemies.
 
Max Owner said:
This among other things is going to come down to a legal fight. Bigger than this immediate issue........

Get CSSA and the NFA and a good lawyer. Of course we are going to have to cough up.;) $$
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I think we have coughed up enough money to the CSSA and NFA through memberships, forced memberships and the like. Time for those dollars to be put to good use. Not that money hasn't been spent well already but crying for money all the time is a put off. And now this phone campaign begging for money? How much of the raised money does that cost, a telemarketing company doesn't work for free. If our membership dues aren't enough, then RAISE them. That is the most respectable way to do it, no games, no stories, no appeasements. If people don't believe the CSSA or NFA justify that raise in rates then they will not renew, if it is mandatory at certain clubs, people will move to clubs where it is not. Too much energy in my opinion is put on raising funds. Determine a budget for the coming year on the causes to fight, add 50% more for contingencies such as this new 1522 mag thing, number of members divided into that number and there is your dues amount. Add a little for people won't pay it & leave. Those members will come back once some battles are won. We don't need the CSSA or NFA to teach us how to shoot, we don't need them to run courses, we don't need them to meddle in disciplines. We don't need them to dictate how ranges are run. We NEED them (and are PAYING members of them) to fight for our gun rights ONLY. THAT'S IT. It's not a social club for gathering to discuss flowers and cake recipes. Use ALL of the money to fight for our gun rights, NOTHING ELSE.
 
Prestwich said:
Or until they show up on your front door after checking the registry to see who has the guns. And they KNOW you will have the magazine since it ships with the gun. It will go like this: 1) So you either surrender the mag to them on the spot & will of course be charged with possession of a prohibited item, and all your firearms and ammo will be confiscated, or 2) you will say the you don't have the mag anymore, and they will tear your home to pieces looking for it, if they find it, see 1), if they don't find it then 3) your house and property will be destroyed without recourse but you will still have your guns or 4) you immediately pin the magazine NOW so that when they come, and they will come, you will have it pinned. Whether they accept that pinning or not at least you have proven your willingness as a good sheep to comply. This is how they will get us. Death by a thousand cuts. This I think needs to be made the line in the sand, it is as good an issue as any. And it is a good time for it, since everyone I think is still upset due to the Conservative registry failure. Let's see them actually do something to deserve our votes, ENOUGH with the nonsense that they are our only friends, with friends like them who needs enemas (yes I said enemas because that is what we get from blind faith). Our fellow Canadian Gun Owners are our only friends and we are usually our own worst enemies.
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If I pin the mags and they show up at my door and REFUSE the pinned mags, can I still be charged with possession of an illegal device?

Also, from what you're saying, there is NO WAY for someone to not take a risk here - or am i getting you wrong?
 
I suggest that to get back at those half wits in the RCMP, Canadian gun owners should all put in money to get some company to make a pump action rifle that takes AR mags and just happens to have these "specially designed" mags be 30 rounders and 100 round drum mags. Just imagine trekking through the bush with an XCR and a 100 round "pump action mag"
 
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