NR Rifle Battle ACR vs XCR

onetwentyish said:
That sounds like me! ;)

I enjoyed the keymod XCR ALOT when I had had it, and it seemed as good as my Tavor for accuracy with bulk 55gr federal I still had left over from a few years ago, but I never went out of my way to print groups or test ammo.

I found the stock on the XCR to be stiffer and lock up better then the ACR's, and all the hand controls were machined metal where as the ACR's are all polymer (safety, mag release, bolt release). I put a MIAD on my XCR in place of the A2 grip, but on the ACR I wouldn't bother if I could, its already the traditional Magpul grip.

The ease of take down for both platforms is something awesome, but the ACR ever so slightly wins out in this area.

XCR does have factory caliber conversions available which is nice and simple, but the barrel change system is an obvious fault and definitely not a tool-less quick change. The ACR on the other hand does not require any tools and can be changed in seconds and retain accuracy to within 1-2 scope clicks at 100m.

My M4 profiled barrel ACR is considerably heavier than my Keymod light barreled XCR was, and ACR is definitely front heavy compared to the XCR which I found well balanced for a conventional rifle design with a 18.6" barrel.

If you asked me why I sold my XCR once I had my ACR. I would flat out say accuraccy was the only reason. That same crappy 55gr bulk federal shot like a laser and I have never felt so confident shooting out at distance with a Semi-Auto 5.56 platform as I do now. I am very impressed with the ACR and very satisfied with my decision.

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Thank you for that very fair comparison! Nice looking rifle too!
 
onetwentyish said:
Cod mw2. ;)
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You gave me a good laugh. I have a 17yo son that swears by the ACR, but he's never touched one.

Op, I've got a Dlask adapter on my XCR, you're right about the stock being too low for a good weld. I'm using a CTR stock and a .5 riser. Works awesome. Iirc, the riser cost $20.
 
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knock-knock said:
An ACR with a custom barrel outshoots a stock gun... you don't say.

Hold an ACR and then hold a keymod XCR with light barrel. No contest.

I suppose if you're bench shooting and using a tape measure after every 20 rounds then maybe the ACR is a better buy? Though I must say, I think its a little optimistic to hope to have a NR one for $2500.
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My first non restricted 223 barrel was extremely light and was not muzzle heavy but I think it was too thin as I could never get it to shoot better than around 1.5moa even though it was a Herron Arms barrel.

My ACR was right around $2500 with the non restricted conversion and Geiselle super ACR trigger. It also came with both the folding and non folding stock. It can be done if you buy a used rifle and convert it yourself. I sold the barrel it came with to help with the costs. No sense keeping the restricted length barrel since you can't legally swap it back in without re-registering it as restricted before you go to the range.
I have over $3000 into it now but that includes my 223, 300BLK and 6.8SPC barrels and I have 2 piston systems so I can swap calibers pretty quickly.


Brianma65 said:
And what kind of a bad day do you need to have to bench shoot groups at a hundred yards ? The only thing your doing is pulling the trigger. I sold it because I didn't like the weight , after all it's a NR hunting/ bush gun . Not a bench gun.
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Shooting from a bipod and a rear bag involves a lot more than just pulling the trigger. I'm not talking about it shooting 0.9moa then next time shooting 4moa, I mean one day when I'm doing my part I can pull off a few 0.9moa groups and when I'm a little shakey I'll shoot 1-1.5moa.

BlackWatch said:
Of those who have owned an AR15 and an ACR what do you think of the two? If an AR15 wasn't restricted I never would have thought of buying an ACR. Just wondering if I will not be as impressed with the ACR I have coming vs the Diemaco I just sold.
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If the price of each was the same and the status was irrelevant I would go with the AR every time. As it is now I own an ACR because it's (IMHO) the best option we have access to in the non restricted category once you throw another $500-$1000 at it to convert it.
I love my AR's but need something non restricted to play with as well. The ACR is a great rifle and definitely has some features the AR is lacking but if I could take my AR's in the bush I wouldn't own any other black rifles. Well maybe I'd keep my AR180B-2, love that thing :)
 
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I own both a Tavor and an ACR.
Both are great, ACR is front heavy, more accurate and easier to completely strip down/remove the barrel
Tavor is lighter, less accurate, more compact.
Both are really robust top quality firearms.
If you want more accurate go ACR, if you want easier to shoot off hand go Tavor, eventually you will own both, like me.
 
I had one of the first XCR's that came out with the fast stock and quad rails, the thing weighted a ton and was front heavy. I've also had a look at the recent ACR sales with NR conversions. I've been on the look out for a NR black rifle that has available conversions for years - and it's looking like XCR is the only viable option. The new ones are suppose to be a lot more balanced. By the looks of things, one could get an XCR and a different upper for the same cost as an NR converted ACR. I sure would like to see some object comparisons with an XCR Keymod and heavy barrel compared to an ACR with NR conversion.
 
Master-G said:
I see that on their forum now. So including the exchange rate and Dlask's NR conversion it looks like $2950, not including taxes or anything. That's not bad, actually, compared to what the total used to be. I have not seen any posts about Dlask's ACR work so I don't know how good they'd be...although I have no reason to think that there'd be any problem. I've seen some very nice-looking ones from Herron that, especially with the longer polymer fore-end and not the shorter railed fore-end, look very good...almost factory. They definitely don't have a conspicuously over-long look that some NR rifles have.
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arms east just had a sale on NR converted ACR's

the rifle was $2175 restricted and the NR conversion was between $4-500 extra
 
andrew3081 said:
A used restricted ACR can be bought for $2000 and with the cost of barrel conversion that will put the price of NR ACR to $2600.
A used non restricted XCR can be bought for $1800.

But of course this is the old price...for the new prices, you probably have to add another $300 to each gun (thanks to the weak Canadian dollar)
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Arms east was just selling restricted ACR's new with enhanced forend for $2175

used prices should be dropping

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...shmaster-ACR-Non-Restricted-Options!-SOLD-OUT
 
mikethebike said:
I own both a Tavor and an ACR.
Both are great, ACR is front heavy, more accurate and easier to completely strip down/remove the barrel
Tavor is lighter, less accurate, more compact.
Both are really robust top quality firearms.
If you want more accurate go ACR, if you want easier to shoot off hand go Tavor, eventually you will own both, like me.
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This is all you need to know in my humble opinion.
 
xdmer said:
I had one of the first XCR's that came out with the fast stock and quad rails, the thing weighted a ton and was front heavy. I've also had a look at the recent ACR sales with NR conversions. I've been on the look out for a NR black rifle that has available conversions for years - and it's looking like XCR is the only viable option. The new ones are suppose to be a lot more balanced. By the looks of things, one could get an XCR and a different upper for the same cost as an NR converted ACR. I sure would like to see some object comparisons with an XCR Keymod and heavy barrel compared to an ACR with NR conversion.
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new XCR is $2800-3000 at Wolverine depending on options, New restricted ACR is $2175. Even after I change the caliber on the ACR and make it non restricted I am only a few hundred more than the XCR and without the risk of getting another problematic rifle (my experience with an earlier XCR)

The choice was simple
 
Dad003 said:
some guys will says that their nr ACR is more accurate than the xcr-l , yep with a custom barrell it quite normal , but the ACR is more front heavy and you cant change the grip on it , XCR got way more potentiel for the modularity ,
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The restricted length factory barrel on my ACR would do MOA too, just FYI.
 
Ah yes, I was thinking of when the XCR was a few hundred less and ARC was still going for 2.5k + US. Those were a really good sale to get in on, may have done it if I known right away I could have 556 AND 7.62x39 conversion. I like to know what I'm in for, before shelling out big bucks .. learned my lesson the hard way a couple times.
Brian46 said:
new XCR is $2800-3000 at Wolverine depending on options, New restricted ACR is $2175. Even after I change the caliber on the ACR and make it non restricted I am only a few hundred more than the XCR and without the risk of getting another problematic rifle (my experience with an earlier XCR)

The choice was simple
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Brian46 said:
new XCR is $2800-3000 at Wolverine depending on options, New restricted ACR is $2175. Even after I change the caliber on the ACR and make it non restricted I am only a few hundred more than the XCR and without the risk of getting another problematic rifle (my experience with an earlier XCR)

The choice was simple
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In all fairness, Robinson has stepped up QC massively with the new XCR's, and I'm really quite impressed with the keymod forend and lightweight barrel.
 
xdmer said:
How does the lightweight barrel shoot and how well does it hold up when hot? I've been having a hard time getting *good* information on this.
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In slow fire it shoots as well as the heavy barrel, but it does heat up and the groups open up much faster. If you're doing lots of running and gunning, I'd suggest the heavy barrel. For lugging around coyote/deer hunting, the light barrel sheds a fair amount of weight without loosing out on accuracy for the first few shots.

My $.02

Don't own one but have shot lots of them.
 
Ar180shooter said:
In all fairness, Robinson has stepped up QC massively with the new XCR's, and I'm really quite impressed with the keymod forend and lightweight barrel.
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I posted a number of times looking for honest feedback (accuracy and reliability) of the x39 lightweight keymod and got nothing, even had someone say the light profile didn't exist. I decided against taking a second chance given the drop in price on the ACR
 
Brian46 said:
I posted a number of times looking for honest feedback (accuracy and reliability) of the x39 lightweight keymod and got nothing, even had someone say the light profile didn't exist. I decided against taking a second chance given the drop in price on the ACR
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Absolutely understand that. Given the price drop I would definitely recommend the ACR over XCR even considering you'd have to have it re-barreled. I had an ACR when they were going for $3k and don't regret it. Just pointing out that RA has put the effort in and stepped up their QC on the XCR, and have continued to support the Canadian market with NR rifles and exchange barrels, and continued making improvements to their rifles. My biggest (and only) gripe with the ACR is its total lack of factory support, and Bushmaster dragging its heels on providing any support for it.
 
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