OK, You asked for it ... What are the most overrated RIFLE cartridges?

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Snowy Owl said:
nof60,

Could you elaborate on this assertion ? Not to contradict you because I think that you are right but I have not been able to gather solid documentation on the subject.

Still, Roy Weatherby did drop the FN Mauser actions which are very sound actions. I suspect that there must be a reason more than a feeling for designing the Mark V action and he was already using the big Schultz & Larsen Super Magnum action - which is apparently very strong - for his .378 Weatherby Magnum cartridge.

Not that I consider the .378 Weatherby Magnum cartridge as being overrated though. Not at all.
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The FN actions were made for standard length cartridges so they worked fine for the 257/270 and 7mm Weatherby's but the 300 and up are H&H length cartridges and metal had to be removed from the feed ramp on the Mauser action in order to make it long enough and this compromised the strenght somewhat since the bottom locking lug sits in front of the feed ramp.
Roy wanted to build his own action rather than use someone eles's so the MkV was born and it's one of the strongest actions ever made!
 
I’ve shot game with the 243, 243AI, 6.5 CM, 260, 7-08, 308, 6.5x55, 7x57, 270, 280, 280AI, 30-06, 7MM Rem Mag, 7MM WBY Mag, 7MM Mashburn, 300 Win Mag, 338 Win Mag, 375 H&H, and 375 Ruger. Their differences in performance on game isn’t something you need to write home about. Unless, of course, you are up at night.
 
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chuck nelson said:
I’ve shot game with the 243, 243AI, 6.5 CM, 260, 7-08, 308, 6.5x55, 7x57, 270, 280, 280AI, 30-06, 7MM Rem Mag, 7MM WBY Mag, 7MM Mashburn, 300 Win Mag, 338 Win Mag, 375 H&H, and 375 Ruger. Their differences in performance on game isn’t something you need to write home about. Unless, of course, you are up at night.
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As I mentioned before, topics as such, are only "mindless debating".
 
chuck nelson said:
I’ve shot game with the 243, 243AI, 6.5 CM, 260, 7-08, 308, 6.5x55, 7x57, 270, 280, 280AI, 30-06, 7MM Rem Mag, 7MM WBY Mag, 7MM Mashburn, 300 Win Mag, 338 Win Mag, 375 H&H, and 375 Ruger. Their differences in performance on game isn’t something you need to write home about. Unless, of course, you are up at night.
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Those average out to a 165gr bullet propelled by around 58 grains of powder
 
It's interesting in that really there should be no such thing as overrated. Cartridges are what they are. And one buys what they buy. Nothing more. Nothing less. Ballistics have always been ballistics. They don't change based on what the guys on Wild TV are shooting. If they buy a cartridge based on what the mojo behind the gun counter at Cabelas recommends, then they deserve exactly what they get. Fairly straightforward. There are no overrated cartridges, but there are uneducated consumers.
 
Walleyewhiz said:
It's interesting in that really there should be no such thing as overrated. Cartridges are what they are. And one buys what they buy. Nothing more. Nothing less. Ballistics have always been ballistics. They don't change based on what the guys on Wild TV are shooting. If they buy a cartridge based on what the mojo behind the gun counter at Cabelas recommends, then they deserve exactly what they get. Fairly straightforward. There are no overrated cartridges, but there are uneducated consumers.
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Bingo
 
owlowl said:
2 Decades ago: the "magic story" was all about short magnums. "Amazing performance in a short action"
Reality: Significantly worse barrel life,
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300 WSM 180gr @ SAAMI max 65,000psi

  • RL17 63.4grs, 1336 round barrel life
  • RL16 62.9grs, 1732
  • Ramshot Hunter 65.6grs 1381
  • W760 63.4grs, 1536
  • IMR 4831 63.4grs, 1896
  • H4350 63.5grs, 1792
  • Avg 1612 round barrel life



300 Winchester Magnum 180gr, loaded to SAAMI max 62,000psi

  • Rl26 76.8grs, 1063 round barrel life
  • Viht N560 75.1grs, 961
  • IMR 7828 74.8grs, 1203
  • RL22 74.5grs, 1014
  • RL23 73.7grs, 1376
  • H4831sc 73.2grs, 1224
  • Avg 1140 round barrel life

Looks like the 300 WSM has predicted barrel life that would be approx 41% longer than a 300 Winchester Magnum

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Walleyewhiz said:
It's interesting in that really there should be no such thing as overrated. Cartridges are what they are. And one buys what they buy. Nothing more. Nothing less. Ballistics have always been ballistics. They don't change based on what the guys on Wild TV are shooting. If they buy a cartridge based on what the mojo behind the gun counter at Cabelas recommends, then they deserve exactly what they get. Fairly straightforward. There are no overrated cartridges, but there are uneducated consumers.
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Wow, a reasoned common sense answer to a silly question. Thanks. :)
 
The real bottom line is, at this stage of the game, if one can't grasp that out of all of things that comprise a hunting rifle, the head stamp on the brass is the thing that matters the least, then something is seriously wrong.
What's the difference if a fella can't say why he likes something, as compared to not/can't saying why he doesn't like it? Same same, no?

R.
 
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todbartell said:
h ttps://www.accurateshooter.com/technical-articles/excel-formula-predicts-useful-barrel-life/

300 WSM 180gr @ SAAMI max 65,000psi

  • RL17 63.4grs, 1336 round barrel life
  • RL16 62.9grs, 1732
  • Ramshot Hunter 65.6grs 1381
  • W760 63.4grs, 1536
  • IMR 4831 63.4grs, 1896
  • H4350 63.5grs, 1792
  • Avg 1612 round barrel life



300 Winchester Magnum 180gr, loaded to SAAMI max 62,000psi

  • Rl26 76.8grs, 1063 round barrel life
  • Viht N560 75.1grs, 961
  • IMR 7828 74.8grs, 1203
  • RL22 74.5grs, 1014
  • RL23 73.7grs, 1376
  • H4831sc 73.2grs, 1224
  • Avg 1140 round barrel life

Looks like the 300 WSM has predicted barrel life that would be approx 41% longer than a 300 Winchester Magnum

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You can't have a discussion unless you slap people on a face? What are you a liberal or something?

What you SHOULD compare 300WSM is .30-06 which is same caliber bullet, same energy, long action vs short magnum. With barrel life at least twice of 300WSM. 300 Win Mag is nowhere near reasonable comparison as it is pushing velocity and energy way about reasonable efficiency and is in a different level from 300 WSM.

If I were on a same slippery slop of making unreasonable arguments for a dubious pleasure of virtually slapping people I never met, I would instantly refer to .223 WSSM as "a proof" and compare it to 30-30. But that would be on a same level of silly cherry picking as you did.
 
Other than cheap ammo, why would anybody want to shoot a 7.62x39 these days for anything but hitting dirt piles? It is beyond me.
 
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