OK, You asked for it ... What are the most overrated RIFLE cartridges?

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Slimbo said:
The 300 WSM wasn’t introduced to out 30-06 the 30-06.
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It was not introduced to compete with 300 win mag either. What is the point of comparing 300 WSM to 300 Win Mag barrel life if you don't even consider it to be a rival to 30-06?
 
owlowl said:
It was not introduced to compete with 300 win mag either. What is the point of comparing 300 WSM to 300 Win Mag barrel life if you don't even consider it to be a rival to 30-06?
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h ttps://winchester.com/Blog/2017/11/300-winchester-magnum-or-the-300-winchester-short-magnum

Winchester, the company that introduced it, definitely compares it to the 300 win mag
 
SuperCub : The 270 may not be the best out there, but it is as good as any other "deer" cartridge and better than a lot.

To say otherwise is to base your reply purely on your emotional response to the topic at hand without considering the overwhelmingly positive history of this 100 year old cartridge. If you can somehow get past what others say about it, you might have different "feelings" concerning the same.

No ! I used a 270 for a few Years then i had it rebarreled to 30-06 - Now i LIKE it ! :p LOL RJ
 
owlowl said:
You can't have a discussion unless you slap people on a face? What are you a liberal or something?


...... silly cherry picking as you did.
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It's the guy off of the MythBuster TV show getting slapped, I thought it was funny Laugh2


If you think comparing 300WSM to 300 Win Mag is not a valid comparison, I guess we are done here

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The 270 may not be the best out there, but it is as good as any other "deer" cartridge and better than a lot.

To say otherwise is to base your reply purely on your emotional response to the topic at hand without considering the overwhelmingly positive history of this 100 year old cartridge. If you can somehow get past what others say about it, you might have different "feelings" concerning the same.
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remington jim said:
No ! I used a 270 for a few Years then i had it rebarreled to 30-06 - Now i LIKE it ! :p LOL RJ
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So now you like your 30-06 better than the 270 is was before? Isn't "like" an emotional response?

I like my 280 and 275Rigby & would keep them both before a 270, but then I'm not dillusional as some to think they are better as a deer cartridge. :p LOL SC
 
Walleyewhiz said:
It's interesting in that really there should be no such thing as overrated. Cartridges are what they are. And one buys what they buy. Nothing more. Nothing less. Ballistics have always been ballistics. They don't change based on what the guys on Wild TV are shooting. If they buy a cartridge based on what the mojo behind the gun counter at Cabelas recommends, then they deserve exactly what they get. Fairly straightforward. There are no overrated cartridges, but there are uneducated consumers.
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woodlotowner said:
Wow, a reasoned common sense answer to a silly question. Thanks. :)
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Ahh, so the "reasoning" tells us that there is no such thing as overrated (or underrated) for anything and not just gun-related. Be "educated", but ignore all advice and opinions, just go with what you want.

There's a great deal more than ballistics that should go into assessing a cartridge, and while in this thread most people just named one, some of the posts provided reasons why they think it's overrated which are worth considering. Of course you can keep loving your 300 Savage cuz that's what grampy used.

This is far from the first thread on this topic and another one will arise a bit after this one has petered out and regardless of what's said, many will still consider the 270 Win far superior to the 280...........;)
 
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This thread is turning into a philosophical conversation on Relativism; reminds me of an introductory course I took in University. But in all seriousness, if two cartridges are more or less equally effective on, say, medium game and one is a known barrel burner and harder to source brass for, is it not considered overrated or inferior? I guess according some of your perspectives, no--hey you're entitled to your opinions. :)
 
owlowl said:
What you SHOULD compare 300WSM is .30-06 which is same caliber bullet, same energy, long action vs short magnum. With barrel life at least twice of 300WSM. 300 Win Mag is nowhere near reasonable comparison as it is pushing velocity and energy way about reasonable efficiency and is in a different level from 300 WSM.
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The 300 WSM was literally designed to offer similar ballistics to the 300 WM in a short action rifle. This was Winchesters stated goal from the beginning, they had no intentions of the 300 WSM ever competing with/being compare to the 30-06. 300 WSM vs 300WM makes much more sense.
 
freire said:
Bingo
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I feel that overated would be a cartridge that does not really do anything more than a cartridge that was their before. Fires the same bullet within 100 fps of an existing cartridge and needs a simaler action size and is no more accurate etc etc. One that is basically a re invention and marketed as the latest greatest. Like 6.5x55 swede - 6.5x47 Lapua - .260 Rem - 6.5 CM......all but the one developed first are hype
 
Gatehouse said:
The 300 WSM was literally designed to offer similar ballistics to the 300 WM in a short action rifle. This was Winchesters stated goal from the beginning, they had no intentions of the 300 WSM ever competing with/being compare to the 30-06. 300 WSM vs 300WM makes much more sense.
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Well, this is exactly the type of marketing bs I'm talking about. 300 WM case capacity 91.5 gr, 300 WSM case capacity is 80.4 gr. Win mag has 13% more powder capacity, they both have same bullet. How do you expect this to work the same?

Yet 30-06 case capacity 68 gr, 180 gr has exactly the same performance as 180gr 300 WSM. So the 30-06 with same bullet has the same performance as 300WSM for significantly more barrel life and less powder. No matter how you look at it, WSM is least efficient compared to the existing cartridges, but they claim an improvement.
 
owlowl said:
Well, this is exactly the type of marketing bs I'm talking about. 300 WM case capacity 91.5 gr, 300 WSM case capacity is 80.4 gr. Win mag has 13% more powder capacity, they both have same bullet. How do you expect this to work the same?

Yet 30-06 case capacity 68 gr, 180 gr has exactly the same performance as 180gr 300 WSM. So the 30-06 with same bullet has the same performance as 300WSM for significantly more barrel life and less powder. No matter how you look at it, WSM is least efficient compared to the existing cartridges, but they claim an improvement.
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The WSM has 15% more case capacity than the 06. How do you expect this to work the same? Lol.
 
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owlowl said:
Well, this is exactly the type of marketing bs I'm talking about. 300 WM case capacity 91.5 gr, 300 WSM case capacity is 80.4 gr. Win mag has 13% more powder capacity, they both have same bullet. How do you expect this to work the same?

Yet 30-06 case capacity 68 gr, 180 gr has exactly the same performance as 180gr 300 WSM. So the 30-06 with same bullet has the same performance as 300WSM for significantly more barrel life and less powder. No matter how you look at it, WSM is least efficient compared to the existing cartridges, but they claim an improvement.
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The .30-06 has exactly the same performance as the .300 WSM!?:onCrack:
 
SuperCub said:
So now you like your 30-06 better than the 270 is was before? Isn't "like" an emotional response?

I like my 280 and 275Rigby & would keep them both before a 270, but then I'm not dillusional as some to think they are better as a deer cartridge. :p LOL SC
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well the 7x64 is a step above the 3 mentionned lol ... i know it worked since 1917 ...lol
 
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