Ontario IPSC Classification

Quigley said:
It will be the individual stages that will be used for the classifiction...not the overall match result. The stage results will be compared against data alreday in the Database...so it won't matter if no GM's or M's shoot the stages at that particular match...they will already have stage results in the database...

The question of making certain march results also part of the classifiction came up at the AGM...those details (along with things like weighting and how exactly the results will float) will have to be worked out by the committee...

Anyway...the details will be posted on our website for all members to view, once the info is available.
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I would like to add my 2 cents worth; I think what you are proposing is very cumbersome and difficult to track.

When I left the sport 15 years ago there was only one division, open, and all shooters in Ontario were classed A, B, C or D according to their percentage against the top shooter and could either advance in class or retreat in class accordingly, annually I believe. What was at stake was medals, trophys and sometimes prizes and a certain amount of prestige.

Why not do the same for each division on an individual match basis, classifying each competitor against the performance of the top shooter in each division at that match?

This would work on the local, regional, provincial and national level

This, to me, seems to be a much simpler (for simple minds like mine) and fair way to classify competitors, and would pretty much eliminate sandbaggers if anyone is concerned. Do your best and let the medals fall where they may.

There is a name for this type of scoring but it escapes me at the moment.

Bryan

:wave:
 
Opcx6 said:
Why not do the same for each division on an individual match basis, classifying each competitor against the performance of the top shooter in each division at that match?
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Then they might as well print up "GM" badges and put them in the gum ball machines.. it would be harder to become a GM by putting your quarter in the machine..
 
ckc123 said:
and everyone else who wins a match is going to become a GM when they are NOT!
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No really, depends how the match will be score.
If there is only two true Masters, then no one can be score higher then Master highest percentage.
 
PeterPan said:
No really, depends how the match will be score.
If there is only two true Masters, then no one can be score higher then Master highest percentage.
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that's not what was suggested by the post I was responding to..

the fact still remains that either a MATCH or a Stage needs to be shot by a true GM to get proper classification if you are going to use the results from it..

getting a true GM to enough matches to classify everyone based on several matches is very hard (as you can see from the current system). the ICS concept of using stand alone stages is easier to do (as they are the same across matches and can be done in various locations/dates etc.. )

it may not be perfect (based on the ICS stage designs) but at least you can get the true GM's and M to shoot the stages easier and get the rest of the shooters ranked
 
Bryan, You're laking about the Lewis system, PPC uses it.
A stage based system can work if there is enough of the proper data put in. One would assume that by having the Usual Suspects(MikeB, Wade, Alex, MikeA...) shoot the stages, that you would come up with a a proper high hit-factor. It would be a good start point but a more accurate one would be had by using shooters from all across canada. The USPSA HHF factors are not all held by the Pros.
A stage based National system is the way to go, anything else will fall like the other attempts.
 
Canuck223 said:
Grand Master 100%-95.00%
Master 94.99%-85.00%
A 84.99%-75.00%
B 74.99% -60.00%
C 59.99%-40.00%
D 39.99%-00.00%
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By that logic doesn't that mean that if you're the only guy who shows up your a GM?

How is the rating established? I shot a club level thing this week (first one since my BB course) and got 45.93% ?? (Stupid no-shoot targets)


PH Racing said:
You have no class!
lol...had to say it...
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Wouldn't be the first time someone said that... I shoot my qual this weekend.
 
D is it is an agregate of several events that you have gone to.

There is a whole section on the IPSC Ontario site that shows how it is currently calculated at this point in time.

Of course that is also the system that we are looking to change.
 
stormbringer said:
D is it is an agregate of several events that you have gone to.

There is a whole section on the IPSC Ontario site that shows how it is currently calculated at this point in time.

Of course that is also the system that we are looking to change.
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Where is that explanation? Under the classifications I only see the lists for the different classes... open/standard/production/revolver...
 
my bad..............
They appear to have taken down the "how classifications are calculated" page.

Which makes some sense as it is in the air right now.

The system that was used last was a combination of your best 3 level II match results combined with a Level 3 as well as your best ICS results.
 
DMeNTED said:
By that logic doesn't that mean that if you're the only guy who shows up your a GM?

How is the rating established? I shot a club level thing this week (first one since my BB course) and got 45.93% ?? (Stupid no-shoot targets)
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The match you shot only had an M shooter (if I am not mistaken, with his top 84% at Level 3 match), so you can safely subtract ~10..15% from your scores to get an idea what you'll have against a GM shooter.

For comparison, I came 2nd at the same match at BRRC, but I didn't make 60% at Ontario provincials Level 3 match. Such as life. :)

The current Ontario classifications are published at http://www.ipsc-ont.org/classes.htm
 
stormbringer said:
my bad..............
They appear to have taken down the "how classifications are calculated" page.

Which makes some sense as it is in the air right now.

The system that was used last was a combination of your best 3 level II match results combined with a Level 3 as well as your best ICS results.
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Ah ok... that makes sense. I guess they'll post an update once the new system is in place. At this point I'm not to worried about how I "rate"... Hell, I can't even practice without driving an hour and a bit...

Does that mean if I don't shoot enough level 2's/etc. I don't get a rating?

euxx said:
The match you shot only had an M shooter (if I am not mistaken, with his top 84% at Level 3 match), so you can safely subtract ~10..15% from your scores to get an idea what you'll have against a GM shooter.

For comparison, I came 2nd at the same match at BRRC, but I didn't make 60% at Ontario provincials Level 3 match. Such as life. :)
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That would put me in the 30%ish range, which makes sense for my first time out ... next time I'll try to shoot a little slower and not drop so many points with penalties. I was there for both squads but shot with the 8 oclock group...
 
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The problem being debated right now is this, as I understand it.

You could shoot a bunch of Level 2's, a level 3 and do the ICS stsges, the kicker is, if a GM and an M doesn't shoot any of the level 2's that you attend, there is no way to become classified. And there is also no way of knowing before hand, that a GM and an M is going to attend your selected level 2 matches.

That is the way I interpret it, from various conversations, I am fairly new at this as well.
 
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