Opinions sought -Norinco HP-9
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Nope............I still own no Chinese guns, and never have..........and did not wish to in this case either! 
My Remington shotguns make me happy, and my old 870 Wingmaster is the very last, last gun they will pry from my cold dead hands. That one has killed about forty deer for me.........
Doug
My Remington shotguns make me happy, and my old 870 Wingmaster is the very last, last gun they will pry from my cold dead hands. That one has killed about forty deer for me.........
Doug
rdelliott said:
I would have gotten a Remington too, but they refuse to sell 14" shotguns or even 14" barrels to 'civilians'. Snobby bastards. Maybe if they'd pull that elitist BS pickle out of their ass they wouldn't lose sales to a China company who just gives people what they want. #### 'em.
Long story short getting a 'manufactured' 14" barrel for an 870 will cost more than a brand new complete HP-9. it's probably the best barrel you've ever seen, but it's more for people with too much money in their pockets.
Forbidden Fruit
"When space is limited, or concealment a must, the tactical Model 870P with a 14" barrel is the best way to go.
Synthetic/Black 14" 12 Modified Bead Parkerized 4429†"
Available with a simple phone-call
That would be a "China company who just gives people what they want," based on ripping off legitimate firearms designers and manufacturers, paying them sweet diddly for patents or anything like that, and employing slave labour who are working for peanuts and putting North American workers out of jobs.
If you (Luckyorwhat) want to dig your own grave, go for it. But at least understand what is happening: you are paying less for a product sold by a COMMUNIST country whose arms company Norinco is screwing all of us here in the free world by STEALING our technology and designs and putting OUR workers out of their jobs. The Germans have an expression, "the stupid sheep choose their own butcher" or something like that.
I don't think that Remington are elitist, they are capitalist, and last time I looked that is why we in Canada have a quality of life that the Chinese average citizen can only dream of.
Doug
If you (Luckyorwhat) want to dig your own grave, go for it. But at least understand what is happening: you are paying less for a product sold by a COMMUNIST country whose arms company Norinco is screwing all of us here in the free world by STEALING our technology and designs and putting OUR workers out of their jobs. The Germans have an expression, "the stupid sheep choose their own butcher" or something like that.
I don't think that Remington are elitist, they are capitalist, and last time I looked that is why we in Canada have a quality of life that the Chinese average citizen can only dream of.
Doug
If China's trying to conquer us, selling us cheap, reliable firearms wouldn't be my recommended 1st move. I've never fully read Sun Tzu though
Nah, I'm more concerned with those that want to disarm us.
They're an international #######, to be sure. I know a guy from Tibet who grew up in refugee camps in India. You can bet Norinco wasn't dumping rifles in his neighbourhood. But it's the 'establishment' of old companies and gov't which is depriving Westerners of their gun rights.
Patents have a shelf life, unless they're for gov't secrets or Mickey Mouse - assuming the patent was even filed in said country. The 870 is 60 years old. Sixty Years. Not even pharmaceutical companies could lobby gov't to make patents last that long. How much money, by your calculation, does Springfield Armory owe to the Browning's heirs, or Ruger to the developers of the M14?
And I don't shed a tear for supposed slave labour. I rather think it's just some B.S. propaganda.
If you want to see where market trends go, look at Colt. Why treat customers properly when you can get cozy with gov't? http://colt.com/ Don't forget that Colt focused on the LE/Mil market, and then when their petty civilian customers got so fed up that cottage industries sprang up, Colt tried to throw everyone a curve-ball and change the size of receiver pins so that no-one's guns would be compatible anymore (luckily their management was as slow as they were stupid, and it was already too late when they tried).
No, companies that don't respect mere 'civilians' enough to allow them the privilege of buying their products, don't get my business.
P.S.
If you're looking for stuff YOU can buy on that Colt site, there's a little bitty link in the botton right that takes you to a different site. They've got some nifty SA revolvers, but stopped making any DA. If you want a DA you could go to S&W, which will put a lock in the frame for free, and god knows what else, or you can go to Ruger who's company motto is 'No honest man needs more than 5 shots', or you can go to Taurus, but they use Brazilian slave labour and their designs are a little too similar to otheres...
Nah, I'm more concerned with those that want to disarm us.
They're an international #######, to be sure. I know a guy from Tibet who grew up in refugee camps in India. You can bet Norinco wasn't dumping rifles in his neighbourhood. But it's the 'establishment' of old companies and gov't which is depriving Westerners of their gun rights.
Patents have a shelf life, unless they're for gov't secrets or Mickey Mouse - assuming the patent was even filed in said country. The 870 is 60 years old. Sixty Years. Not even pharmaceutical companies could lobby gov't to make patents last that long. How much money, by your calculation, does Springfield Armory owe to the Browning's heirs, or Ruger to the developers of the M14?
And I don't shed a tear for supposed slave labour. I rather think it's just some B.S. propaganda.
Our own socialist structure did that. If we didn't abuse business (and investors) they wouldn't have fled to the open arms of 'low cost' or 'tax haven' countries. Then the previous employees would still have their jobs.
Artificial constraints on a market is a distinctly socialist thing, not capitalist.
If you want to see where market trends go, look at Colt. Why treat customers properly when you can get cozy with gov't? http://colt.com/ Don't forget that Colt focused on the LE/Mil market, and then when their petty civilian customers got so fed up that cottage industries sprang up, Colt tried to throw everyone a curve-ball and change the size of receiver pins so that no-one's guns would be compatible anymore (luckily their management was as slow as they were stupid, and it was already too late when they tried).
No, companies that don't respect mere 'civilians' enough to allow them the privilege of buying their products, don't get my business.
P.S.
If you're looking for stuff YOU can buy on that Colt site, there's a little bitty link in the botton right that takes you to a different site. They've got some nifty SA revolvers, but stopped making any DA. If you want a DA you could go to S&W, which will put a lock in the frame for free, and god knows what else, or you can go to Ruger who's company motto is 'No honest man needs more than 5 shots', or you can go to Taurus, but they use Brazilian slave labour and their designs are a little too similar to otheres...
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Doug said:
The USA has been bending Canada over for decades with this so called "free trade", so I have no love or care for their economics. Right now they are ass raping our environment, and woods while putting Hard working Canadians out of work all with the blessings of the provincial Liberals.
http://www.savebcjobs.com/rawlogexports.htm
Also it is their greedy American corporations that are putting their own American people our of work.
Besides if they won't let stuff come into Canada, like my simple 18.5" replacement shotgun barrel for my Mossberg, then I say phuck'em with a pickaxe.
sixty9santa
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Why say something negative about a Chinese made product when it is equal in reliability and better finished on the exterior compared to it's American original?
If product "A" is better/or just as good as (not to mention that it costs less and is available) product "B", why not chose product "A"?
Simple logic really.
Now for the topic of "slave" labor, WTF??????
The employees get paid, say a couple of bucks a day, at the factory while others do whatever job they can for a couple of cents a day. This may seem abominable to us, but the factory workers can keep up a decent quality of life with their "high" salary (with respect to their immediate socio-political environment).
You don't like a Chinese made product, don't ask about it.
Hypocrisy at it's finest IMHO.
Rant off, flame suite on and let's get back to topic like we should have to begin with.
If product "A" is better/or just as good as (not to mention that it costs less and is available) product "B", why not chose product "A"?
Simple logic really.
Now for the topic of "slave" labor, WTF??????
The employees get paid, say a couple of bucks a day, at the factory while others do whatever job they can for a couple of cents a day. This may seem abominable to us, but the factory workers can keep up a decent quality of life with their "high" salary (with respect to their immediate socio-political environment).
You don't like a Chinese made product, don't ask about it.
Hypocrisy at it's finest IMHO.
Rant off, flame suite on and let's get back to topic like we should have to begin with.
sixty9santa
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
What we should be doing is supporting the Canadian economy/industry by manufacturing and purchasing Canadian made products rather than purchasing anything else.
Sad that we don't make things like we used to just a couple of decades ago...
Sad that we don't make things like we used to just a couple of decades ago...
Touched a little nerve, did we?
READ MY ORIGINAL POST GUYS. I have never owned one, do not wish to own one for ideological reasons, and was asking for a buddy who was looking at one.
So sixty9santa take a look at that post, then at your dictionary for the meaning of the word "hypocrisy." Thank you.
Doug
READ MY ORIGINAL POST GUYS. I have never owned one, do not wish to own one for ideological reasons, and was asking for a buddy who was looking at one.
So sixty9santa take a look at that post, then at your dictionary for the meaning of the word "hypocrisy." Thank you.
Doug
Wrong Way
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Hers the thing...I don't want to own communist china guns either.....
Computer,printer, home appliances, telephone, clothes, boots, T, DVD player, videogame, GPS, 1/2 the electronics in the car, kids toys, power tools and components either........but just like you, I really don't have a choice.
I have an HP9, but I'll be happy to own a canadian made 14" 870: Can you tell me where to buy one?
Allthough, out of this I had a thought: I have a new sigline for someone!
FREE COMMUNIST CHINA!*
*with the purchase of another communist country of equal or lesser value.
Computer,printer, home appliances, telephone, clothes, boots, T, DVD player, videogame, GPS, 1/2 the electronics in the car, kids toys, power tools and components either........but just like you, I really don't have a choice.
I have an HP9, but I'll be happy to own a canadian made 14" 870: Can you tell me where to buy one?
Allthough, out of this I had a thought: I have a new sigline for someone!
FREE COMMUNIST CHINA!*
*with the purchase of another communist country of equal or lesser value.
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I will be the last one to "bend over" and buy a Chinese gun. Do you buy them because you are cheap or because they are cheaply made and sold cheap?Calum said:The USA has been bending Canada over for decades with this so called "free trade", so I have no love or care for their economics. Right now they are ass raping our environment, and woods while putting Hard working Canadians out of work all with the blessings of the provincial Liberals.
http://www.savebcjobs.com/rawlogexports.htm
Also it is their greedy American corporations that are putting their own American people our of work.
Besides if they won't let stuff come into Canada, like my simple 18.5" replacement shotgun barrel for my Mossberg, then I say phuck'em with a pickaxe.
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big 10/4 on that one.sixty9santa said:
We should support are own but people want cheap stuff, i myself like you would reather make good stuff then cheap stuff, maybe that meens i dont own 100guns just a handfull, but least they will be good ones.
I dont think this ia rem v norinco issue hear, its a west v china issue.
bbb
PS. BUY MY 870 SLING PLATES
Wrong Way
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Agreed...but lets make it a rem Vs norc. issue.
Funny how no one has posted any "problems" with the rinco, but there are a whack of problems with the 870's isn't it?
I own both the 870 express and the HP9:
here are the Facts:
The HP9: Better finish, better trigger, smoother cycling, better trigger guard
14" barrel, costs 350.00
The rem express: Poor finish, gritty cyclling, plastic trigger guard, not available to civies with a 14" barrel, costs 450.00
So...350 for a better quality gun with an included 14" tube....or 450+300 (barrel) $750.00 for a 14" 870 that still doesnt work as well?
Hmmm....better gun, half the price......maybe THATS why people buy the stuff.
Maybe you should stop blaming rinco for making good stuff cheap, and get pissed at the NA companies for making crappy stuff expensive?
Funny how no one has posted any "problems" with the rinco, but there are a whack of problems with the 870's isn't it?
I own both the 870 express and the HP9:
here are the Facts:
The HP9: Better finish, better trigger, smoother cycling, better trigger guard
14" barrel, costs 350.00
The rem express: Poor finish, gritty cyclling, plastic trigger guard, not available to civies with a 14" barrel, costs 450.00
So...350 for a better quality gun with an included 14" tube....or 450+300 (barrel) $750.00 for a 14" 870 that still doesnt work as well?
Hmmm....better gun, half the price......maybe THATS why people buy the stuff.
Maybe you should stop blaming rinco for making good stuff cheap, and get pissed at the NA companies for making crappy stuff expensive?
I am still trying to figure out how any of you guys still think todays China is communist. Economically it is anything but......Chinas free markets and slave wages are capitalism at its finest. Just look at the amount of old guard North American money scrambling to invest in China to make huge PROFITS!
However on the issues of civil rights and civil liberties China is much more like an authoritarian dictatorship.
I'd buy any Norc firearm......if they were built better.
However on the issues of civil rights and civil liberties China is much more like an authoritarian dictatorship.
I'd buy any Norc firearm......if they were built better.
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G17, you are right of course, but I have to focus on your last comment.
I had an early 305...it was crappy. But I can honestly state that this shotgun is VERY well built. I am dead serious that in the sub $1200 pump gun line, you cant find a better built gun. You are not too far from me, why not come up for a range visit and you can test drive it.
I had an early 305...it was crappy. But I can honestly state that this shotgun is VERY well built. I am dead serious that in the sub $1200 pump gun line, you cant find a better built gun. You are not too far from me, why not come up for a range visit and you can test drive it.
Win/64 said:
As I mentioned in the earlier post...I bought mine because the quality was as good if not better then the original, and the money I saved I could put into other extra features that I wanted in a short "tactical" style shotgun to fit the many jobs I have for it.
If it makes you feel better to spend more money for something then go for it.
Just watch...you can bet that the 10/22 will be the next copy that China cranks out.
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