Once you start looking at the better stuff, you just cringe, moan, and hand over the card, because once you've used it, you won't give it up. So many different brands out there now, with different build levels, you really have to do some homework before buying to understand what is what. There are some really decent scopes being built on the Japanese LOW chassis, by more and more companies, but, it's like buying shoes with some of the feature variances they have, you have to be careful reading the specs and reviews and when they were done, many have upgraded their stuff, fixed stuff that people were complaining about in the last 5-6 yrs. Some were upgraded a couple or three times, so be careful on which version you may actually see on a used one, not that they were bad, just not as well thought out as they could have easily been. With a bunch of them these days, it just comes down to which version has which grade of glass from Europe or Japan, even China, and the reticle choices, they are pretty much all good products. And some of the ones made in China, have stepped up their game on the products as well. Pretty happy with a gen2 Delta Stryker, just ordered a Tract Toric to see how that works out, little heavy, but, I can probably live with that, if it works like it is supposed to.