Yes, and I also read the part in the same article where MNR denies they are doing this.
Guess why they deny it? Because they don't have the authority to do so, and they know it.
Why is it so hard to contact your MLA. He represents YOU!
Ted
Outfitters upset with some out-of-province hunters
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Yes, and I also read the part in the same article where MNR denies they are doing this.
Guess why they deny it? Because they don't have the authority to do so, and they know it.
Why is it so hard to contact your MLA. He represents YOU!
Ted
Blargon, you are missing the point here. You don't have to incur any expense at all. Forget court. Forget lawyers. Forget spending any money at all!
If you have solid information that this is happening on Crown Land, just call your MLA, and make an appointment to see him or her.
Then call all your friends in Ontario, give them the information and have them call their MLA.
It will cost you zero dolars, and less time than you have spent posting your complaint here.
I really do feel for you about this, but things will never change until somebody does something about it. Just give it a try. What have you got to lose, by making the phone call to you elected representative instead of the MNR?
Best,
Ted
Really I am a little surprised.
In AB you can't legally leave a stand up, but lots of people build them in the bush. But my attitude has always been if you have it on crown land it is everybodys. Don't be surprised if someone else is sitting in it.
It wouldn't be the best course for everyone, but it only takes one. Here's an idea. If a local club chose an older, well presented perhaps retired member with some time on his hands to take the hit, and threw in a few bucks for expenses it would get heard in court. If his defence is that he isn't breaking the law because they don't have the authority, then the court will have to prove that they do.Worst case scenario he pays a fine. Nobody's going to jail for walking past a sign on crown land, especially when they have announced that they are doing it and why.
I believe in Alberta we have an anti harassment law. It was passed several years ago to prevent anti hunters from disrupting or bothering hunters. In it the government says that since Alberta feels that hunting is part of it's heritage, anyone harrassing or interferring with legal hunters engaged in a lawful activity would be charged with a criminal offence. It would be interesting to see what would happen if COs or outfitters were preventing you from engaging in your lawful activity and you called the RCMP. If they did nothing, file a complaint to the RCMP head office and get the media involved. Neither the COs or the outfitters make the laws. Does anyone have a clearer definition of the Alberta anti harassment law?
I could see this applying to permanent stands, but If I left a portable out in an area I would expect another hunter to be curtious enough not to use it. Hunt the area or put up another stand but don't use someone else's without permission. Maybe I'm old fashioned but that just seems like common hunting etiquette.
No expert, but I think it is the fish cop's job to enforce it. I suspect every province has sometihng similar too.
I don't think it is enforced much, can anyone speak to that?
Maybe BG, but to me it seems it would lead to hunters taking "ownership" of a spot. Like you be banking on using that spot and could ruin your hunt if you were second man in.
But like I said, can't do it in AB, so what do I know. You guys likely work it out.
I guess the question is if the judge deems them to have the authority or not. The signs say "no motorized vehicle", not "keep out". So they say to the judge, everyones free to use this land, they just have to walk it, to minimalize the impact on the environment, and the judge buys it.
Ted, although we have a rural landowner here as our MPP, my experience is that
politicians will dance around this issue, to avoid the antis. Especially in Ontario where the antis have the entire Government in their back pocket. My MPP is a conservative, so he may ruffle some liberal feathers, but we'll see how far that goes.
Very stiff as I recall
I recall this from previous research due to an experience with someone trying to "save" the poor animals I was hunting.
I am asking if a charge was laid. Maybe I wasn't clear, my point is while the law is on the books, will fish cops/mounties lay a charge if given the opportunity? I think it is very rare at best.
Anybody know of any occurences?
I hear you, but I really think it would be at least worth the phone call.
How does the outfitter access the land? And, what gives the MNR the right to say, "....no hunting within 5km of this lake and that lake, as there are outfitters operating there." ?
Ted
Okay, so the outfitter uses a float plane, but what gives him exclusive access for 5KM around the lake?
See what I am getting at?
Ted
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Thats one of the problems with so called public hunting land, how do you stop it being commercialised. Here the only public land is banned to hunting of any description. Luckily there is little public land. You do pay permits or lease fees if necessary but many I know of manage to pick up great stalking ground for free by being helpful and nice to the landowners. its Policed by Police so not at all. If you own the land then you say who shoots what and when on it within the laws on seasons and they are very generous.
Landowners here get no compensation for damage by deer yet we are overrun with them!
Landowners here get no compensation for damage by deer yet we are overrun with them!
I hope I don't appear to slow!!!!! but what's a MLA?
Ted when I used to moose hunt in N Ont it was a 12hr drive! Some drive twice that!!! I doubt my local MP has a clue & I have no idea who the one is 12hrs away, nor are they likely to pay attention to a phone call from someone out of there riding.
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My hunting group was looking to hunt in in the Hornepayne Ontario WMU and all the Maps of the area identifed varying road closures. I attempted to contact the hornpayne office, for an explanation but got no anwser.
This is what i posted. would anyone know what act or legislation i need to review.
I am looking at the road closure map and the wording of the closures is not clear. Could someone please explain the below statement. or clarify what tourism means in the below context.
Roads from which access to designated remote tourism
lakes is prohibited throughout the year and the use of
vehicles on these roads during the first two weeks of the
gun season for moose is also prohibited.
This is what i posted. would anyone know what act or legislation i need to review.
I am looking at the road closure map and the wording of the closures is not clear. Could someone please explain the below statement. or clarify what tourism means in the below context.
Roads from which access to designated remote tourism
lakes is prohibited throughout the year and the use of
vehicles on these roads during the first two weeks of the
gun season for moose is also prohibited.
